Thanks Campfire team for doing this. It’s great to be able to see the thinking around how something like this was built.
Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license
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Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license
#32Campsite team, if you happen to be reading this: consider whether a more permissive license still meeting the FOSS definition, like GPL or AGPL, would better fit your needs. GPL means that anyone who modifies the source code, or integrates it into a larger work, has to release the modified version. So this would ensure that everyone’s contributions continue to help the wider community. As a side effect, it would also…
You may also want to consider the EUPL, which is OSI approved and despite the name not limited to the EU.
https://discourse.writefreesoftware.org/t/eupl-a-better-choi...
Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license
#33How exactly do you use what looks like work-planning software non-commerically? As for the license, it's their code and they can release it under whatever license they want, but they obviously shouldn't call it open source. Usually companies do this sort of thing to take advantage FOSS's reputation, but in this case it just looks like ignorance to me.
The Non-Commercial provision of the license is towards the app/code, not what the app is used for by end users. You would not be able to install it and sell users right to use it, but you would be able to install it in-house for your own employees.
That's not what non-commercial means.
Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license
#34Hah, more license confusion! It is a good learning resource for those wanting to see how such a codebase works. I do think they should have opened the repository as read-only and that may align more with the educational intent.
"We will only consider pull requests and issues regarding self-hosting or critical fixes. "
Having this makes the messaging a bit confusing. You will accept improvements and bug fixes which we can use commercially but you can't - Did I read that right?
Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a 100% not open-source. It won't be maintained besides pull-requests AND if another company or individual develops this further, it can not be used commercially by anybody else but the company who released this. It this fair? Open source goes both ways.
They have given us a gift with the code being availabile as it is. It would be fair for them to have released nothing. I do think its a shame that it can't legally be combined with GPL'd free software
That part is fair but they should have said something like "shared source", or "source available".
"Open source" means something specific to a lot of people. You may have issues with how OSI operates (I do too!) but let's not muddy things further.
Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license
#36They went from Show HN to bust in 5 months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41182414
I really wonder how that happened. Was there like no traction whatsoever? 5 months doesn't seem like an awfully long amount of time to give a product a chance.
Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license
#37What's Campsite? Nothing here describes it.
Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license
#38Campsite is not open source. From the LICENSE file on the repo [0]: > Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International [0] https://github.com/campsite/campsite/blob/dae5db8611e8adc057...
Creative Commons isn't a bar to being open source, but the Non-Commercial part certainly is. Definitely not OSS.
If the source code is publicly available, that is open source. What you mean is that it is not FOSS.
Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license
#39They went from Show HN to bust in 5 months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41182414 I really wonder how that happened. Was there like no traction whatsoever? 5 months doesn't seem like an awfully long amount of time to give a product a chance.
I read it as an acquihire-of-sorts - https://www.notion.com/blog/welcoming-campsites-founders-to-...
Some people want to be founders, others want to solve a specific problem. There are definitely ideas I have that if I was offered a salary to solve them from a company I would take it rather than found to solve the problem.
Re: Campsite switches to Creative Commons Non-Commercial license
#40They went from Show HN to bust in 5 months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41182414 I really wonder how that happened. Was there like no traction whatsoever? 5 months doesn't seem like an awfully long amount of time to give a product a chance.
Seems like an aqcui-hire from Notion is the answer here: https://www.notion.com/blog/welcoming-campsites-founders-to-...