"We made something more expensive to do and you'll never believe that fewer people did it!"
You joke, but critics were literally saying this. Stuff like "it's only $9, people will just ignore that and continue to drive"
43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on
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Re: 43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on
#22Some numbers don’t make sense here…
They’re saying a 7% reduction is 43k cars, which infers 550k daily trips into the city.
But they think they can make $500M/year. At $9 per trip, that’s only 150k tolls daily. (500M / 365 / $9).
In any case, I’m glad it seems to be working. Congestion pricing has the potential to do a lot of good in this country.
Re: 43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on
#23In addition to the obvious improvements to pedestrian safety with less vehicles on the road. Air quality in these areas is going to improve vastly.
This needs to be implemented in every major metropolitan area.
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This comment is a good example of the type of narrow minded progressive thinking that has held back good public policy like congestion pricing and carbon taxes. Both of these programs are criticized as being regressive. The criticism neglects to take into consideration the society wide benefits like more efficient bus travel or cleaner air that preferentially help the less well off.
Re: 43K fewer drivers on Manhattan roads after congestion pricing turned on
#25When I see things like: > Bus speeds also increased after the tolls were turned on. The Manhattan-bound B39 bus, which crosses the Williamsburg Bridge, ran 28% faster compared to a similar January week last year. Other buses like the SIM24 and and the M50 saw increases in speeds, as well. I wonder how much cherry picking there is. Did they give the B39 because it's the most improved? Or for some other reason (especia…
I think B39 is a good example of an improvement most affected by the congestion pricing. It's a very short route, with very few stops, and the principal part of the route being the Williamsburg bridge. The rest of both Brooklyn and Manhattan traffic affects it rather little.
I think that "cherry-picking" is when you find outliers and show them off pretending they are typical examples. What I would call this is maybe a "poster child": a specially chosen example where the result is most dramatic and clearly seen.
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#26Hopefully this means improved response times for emergency vehicles, which have been pretty bad and getting worse due to traffic. I imagine we’ll start to see data in that in a couple months.
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You could have progressive congestion pricing based on the value of the car. I didn't look at it, but what I think you're saying is that this is a regressive pricing control.
I think that's an important point: regressive taxes/fines shouldn't be used to control behavior as it disproportionately impacts the less affluent*
But a progessive scheme is more involved - it might require using the value of the car for example as a basis for the pricing. But I suspect it could be done.
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#28This seems to be the goto method for most cities now. Got something that isn’t working anymore or the public needs more of it? Just start charging for it and make it a revenue source!
What a joke. Urban areas have been gutted so suburbanites can travel by car, park their metal death box, and travel back to their shitty home for decades.
Urban areas have also been subsidizing roads mostly used by suburban assholes. Then when those same roads need repair, guess who the burden falls on (it’s not the suburbanite living in shitville county)
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This comment is a good example of the type of narrow minded progressive thinking that has held back good public policy like congestion pricing and carbon taxes. Both of these programs are criticized as being regressive. The criticism neglects to take into consideration the society wide benefits like more efficient bus travel or cleaner air that preferentially help the less well off.
Why not lottery my dude (based on dob, license plate, whatever) ? Didn’t I equally pay for the infrastructure?
I would argue that I paid even more than the millionaires, because I cannnot cheat on my taxes.