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Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents

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Re: Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents

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post #88

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>As far as I know every EU business has to have an eu citizen representative You can't hire a nominee director? >Additionally, a company owned property can't just be used privately. They can't "rent" it back to the owner?

The „owner” is the company.

He's saying the company could rent the building to the owner of the company.

Re: Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As far as I know every EU business has to have an eu citizen representative You can't hire a nominee director? >Additionally, a company owned property can't just be used privately. They can't "rent" it back to the owner?

The „owner” is the company.

fine. "actual" owner, "ultimate beneficial owner", etc.

Re: Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents

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post #30

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"NIMBYism making it extremely difficult and expensive to build supply as is needed." Only in some areas. There are other factors affecting how expensive houses are across the country, such as materials/labor, preferences for larger/fancier houses, location preference, and increasingly complex/expensive code.

> preferences for larger/fancier houses And more space per person, so older houses now house far fewer than they used to. US has more bedrooms without an occupant than ever. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/09/realestate/empty-bedrooms...

Idk if the article says this (paywall), but: Home ownership is basically subsidized in the US. So to take full advantage of that, someone may want to buy the most expensive house they can afford in the place they want to live. If it has extra bedrooms, so be it.

Re: Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents

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post #25

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>If it's the former, than even flaunting such a plan is a complete catastrophe for any foreign investment in Spain from now on. There's investments that don't involve real estate. Moreover, property isn't a productive asset, so discouraging investment into that is arguably a good thing. Investing money into a factory means you get more stuff produced. Investing money into property just... sits there.

> property isn't a productive asset It is when you rent it out.

Literal rent seeking behavior from foreign investors.

Re: Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents

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post #25

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>If it's the former, than even flaunting such a plan is a complete catastrophe for any foreign investment in Spain from now on. There's investments that don't involve real estate. Moreover, property isn't a productive asset, so discouraging investment into that is arguably a good thing. Investing money into a factory means you get more stuff produced. Investing money into property just... sits there.

> property isn't a productive asset It is when you rent it out.

In theory, the market should push owners to rent when prices stabilize. Eventually. In the meantime, it's possible that some foreign investors don't care too much about the opportunity cost.

I think some kind of vacancy tax is the only good way to fix this if it's a real problem.

Re: Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents

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Blaming foreigners for housing prices is misdirected. The real culprit is slow bureaucracy & zoning laws making it impossibly slow to get a permit to build anything in both Spain and Portugal. Both of these countries for example have so many abandoned houses needing to be renovated, and so many foreigners coming in with money to do it - but they can never do it because you can't get a permit in literally forever... I…

No, that argument assumes you can only blame 1 thing at a time. Even if the bureaucracy is the worst offender, every foreigner buying a house still results in 1 less house for Spaniards. Sure, fix bureaucracy, but don't pretend foreign purchases have zero effect.

If you’re in oversupply, as the parent comment suggested, then is the effect of additional buyers meaningful?

Re: Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents

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Blaming foreigners for housing prices is misdirected. The real culprit is slow bureaucracy & zoning laws making it impossibly slow to get a permit to build anything in both Spain and Portugal. Both of these countries for example have so many abandoned houses needing to be renovated, and so many foreigners coming in with money to do it - but they can never do it because you can't get a permit in literally forever... I…

No, that argument assumes you can only blame 1 thing at a time. Even if the bureaucracy is the worst offender, every foreigner buying a house still results in 1 less house for Spaniards. Sure, fix bureaucracy, but don't pretend foreign purchases have zero effect.

I'm not saying it has zero effect. I'm saying it's a misdirected effort that would cause them more harm than good. Spain isn't exactly in the fittest economic position. It needs to attract foreigners to cultivate its growth - hence their Beckham law and other benefits for foreigners. You can deter people from coming and see the country stagnate/go down, or you can actually match the demand and foreign dynamism, and use that as an opportunity for the whole place to grow and modernize.

Re: Spain proposes 100% tax on homes bought by non-EU residents

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As far as I know every EU business has to have an eu citizen representative You can't hire a nominee director? >Additionally, a company owned property can't just be used privately. They can't "rent" it back to the owner?

> You can't hire a nominee director? Yes, you can, and it's very common. Couple hundred euros in Cyprus [1]. [1] https://blog.wamo.io/how-much-does-it-cost-to-open-a-company...

Yep.

I've a longterm "internet friend" and Cyprus resident/native who has been grumbling about this for two decades now, his principal complaint is the sheer number of Russians back dooring their way into becoming an EU company via Cyprus and screwing up the cost of living, housing, etc for the locals who suffer from the pressure of rich transients who do little for the community.

A common enough templte compliant the world over, but it has grounds.

He'll also admit it's not just the Russians but many others also.

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