New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill
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Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill
#2> New York Public Service Commission Chair Rory Christian last week issued an order stating that the law will take effect on January 15.
> $15 broadband plans with download speeds of at least 25Mbps, or $20-per-month service with 200Mbps speeds.
This looks like it will be applied statewide. Not sure if remote parts of the state can handle such heavy connections.
Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill
#3Didn’t see in the article what they define as “low income”. As a general rule of thumb I don’t like government and bureaucracy interfering with free market, however I see the potential benefits here. Glad they excluded smaller ISPs with less than 20k customers.
Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill
#4Didn’t see in the article what they define as “low income”. As a general rule of thumb I don’t like government and bureaucracy interfering with free market, however I see the potential benefits here. Glad they excluded smaller ISPs with less than 20k customers.
> Didn’t see in the article what they define as “low income”
Believe it's these standards: https://www.lifelinesupport.org/do-i-qualify/
Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill
#5> The New York law requiring Internet providers to offer cheap plans to people with low incomes will take effect on Wednesday this week following a multi-year court battle in which the state defeated broadband industry lobby groups.
I don't like these types of mandates because it distorts the market. Politicians get to say "we provided X people with internet service and we didn't use a dollar of tax payers' money". Which sounds nice, but you can't really get something for nothing. This will increase costs for ISPs and likely increase prices for others. How much? Who knows!
If politicians feel that low income New Yorkers deserve reduced cost or free internet, give them a voucher for internet. Better yet, figure out how much of a voucher they would need and give them a check. Let them decide whether they want to buy internet, or better food or housing or whatever else. Or if you go the voucher router, giving them options lets ISPs compete for this. Don't think taxpayers should pay? Make a special ISP tax and give it to these people to make it budget neutral.
Not to mention the red tape and abuse this will create. I really don't want me ISP to track my income.
What they decided on is the worst possible option as it results in hidden costs and bad incentives. The only people its good for (compared to the alternatives), is politicians who can by dictate just seemingly create free things for people for no cost.
Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill
#6> The New York law requiring Internet providers to offer cheap plans to people with low incomes will take effect on Wednesday this week following a multi-year court battle in which the state defeated broadband industry lobby groups. I don't like these types of mandates because it distorts the market. Politicians get to say "we provided X people with internet service and we didn't use a dollar of tax payers' money". W…
This is a lot of words. Do you think Internet should be a utility, or not? Obviously: yes. You enjoy water, schools, roads and power. Trash removal in NYC is free, and it's better for that community than being private. But also, you work in tech or something. More customers, less money being paid on meaningless rents. And fuck Comcast, right? Think critically. We don't need ISPs, and little about that ecosystem resulted in innovation that mattered historically.
Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill
#7> The New York law requiring Internet providers to offer cheap plans to people with low incomes will take effect on Wednesday this week following a multi-year court battle in which the state defeated broadband industry lobby groups. I don't like these types of mandates because it distorts the market. Politicians get to say "we provided X people with internet service and we didn't use a dollar of tax payers' money". W…
What hidden costs? Taxes? Probably the top 5 thing I'd love my taxes to go to.
I think the downsides will be obvious: their internet is super cheap but not really fast. In other words, not too dissimilar to 3/4/5g plans with phones almost everyone has. No one's gonna be streaming Netflix and any Youtube over 360p on this plan.
If we're arguing that the Internet is a public need, then I don't see the downsides here. use slow internet to get lower income people on their feet. They hopefully rise up and then grab jobs that can allow better internet in the long term.
Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill
#8> The New York law requiring Internet providers to offer cheap plans to people with low incomes will take effect on Wednesday this week following a multi-year court battle in which the state defeated broadband industry lobby groups. I don't like these types of mandates because it distorts the market. Politicians get to say "we provided X people with internet service and we didn't use a dollar of tax payers' money". W…
Subsidising doesn't make the market more efficient. As a capitalist American you should have said "we need more competition!"
In France Free dropped the price from something like 45$ to 15$/month, and then they did the same with mobile plans and a 2$/month plan that still exist today.
Recently the senate invited the CEO and asked them why they don't increase their prices. The CEO got mad at them for even asking the question, being proud of proposing low prices while still making a lot of money gave back a lot of consumption power to the people according to them
Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill
#9> New York Public Service Commission Chair Rory Christian last week issued an order stating that the law will take effect on January 15. > $15 broadband plans with download speeds of at least 25Mbps, or $20-per-month service with 200Mbps speeds. This looks like it will be applied statewide. Not sure if remote parts of the state can handle such heavy connections.
the $15 plan is about what I expected.
the $20 plan is kinda absurd. I'm in CA, but I'm paying 100/month for a 400 Mbps plan.
Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill
#10Didn’t see in the article what they define as “low income”. As a general rule of thumb I don’t like government and bureaucracy interfering with free market, however I see the potential benefits here. Glad they excluded smaller ISPs with less than 20k customers.
Given the "free market" as of late, I would love if the government "interfered" more so people can get basic services that is standard in every other country. It's more a question why some of these were privatized to begin with.