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Mark Zuckerberg says AI could soon do the work of Meta's midlevel engineers

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg says AI could soon do the work of Meta's midlevel engineers

#11
Great, more midlevel engineers for me.

I genuinely cannot see how AI is going to be bad for programmers. It doesnt do the entire job. It does snippits and you must integrate everything. (And if it does the entire job, amazing! Maybe we can spend extra time on a good UI or extra unit tests)

AI could reduce our staff by half, but that isnt what happens. Instead we just get more work done. The productivity increase seems to warrent spending more money on programmers. If we made our company 500k/yr profit before, AI makes us 1M/yr profit now. What if we bring on 2x as many programmers, do we make 2M/yr profit?

I understand not all jobs scale like this, but at least my industry has demand go up since we are more efficient.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says AI could soon do the work of Meta's midlevel engineers

#12

That is the same person who renamed his company to Meta and went all in into the metaverse and how we all be working in the metaverse. The guy got lucky once, that's all, he is not the modern Oracle.

That's my takeaway as well, and this is his new pivot, from VR to AR. Facebook's problem is that it has all of the money and no idea what to do with it, but instead of sitting on a hoard like Apple they've taken the unusual approach of powering their servers with piles of burning $100 bills.

Personally I suspect that if they really try to replace mid-levels with "AI", they're going to have to re-hire the mid-levels as members of a new field: "AI mistake-checker/fixer". They'll have to pay for the AI (which is resource intensive) and the human worker to fix the AI mess. Everyone wins?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says AI could soon do the work of Meta's midlevel engineers

#13

The future for programmers is not bright. Consequently the future for bug hunters and security professionals is very bright.

What makes you think adversarial AIs can't do the job of bug hunters and security professionals too?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says AI could soon do the work of Meta's midlevel engineers

#14
I don’t know how they think that’s going to work. The best AI has been able to do for me is smarter Auto Complete, I doubt it can just fit into larger code bases without the searching a human can do.

I know the job market has been rough which has emboldened these CEO’s but we are starting to see hiring pick up again, and not just Staff+, interns, SDE 1 and 2 as well, which bodes well for 2025.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says AI could soon do the work of Meta's midlevel engineers

#15
https://archive.is/SHoY9

Maybe. It's certainly possible that this is the case, but I'm hesitant to believe anything Zuckerberg says during a hype-train, especially when saying that has a non-zero chance of boosting the stock.

But let's suppose that this is true, I don't think it necessarily implies that fewer engineers are actually hired. It could be that this "AI mid-level" engineer frees up resources for the remaining engineers to work on something more interesting.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says AI could soon do the work of Meta's midlevel engineers

#16
Sure, for some meaning of "work" we've been there already for decades. I don't think anyone is doubting that AI can increase productivity (and in this sense, displace midlevel engineers) but I don't see any reason to suspect that AI can replace a given engineer.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says AI could soon do the work of Meta's midlevel engineers

#17

That is the same person who renamed his company to Meta and went all in into the metaverse and how we all be working in the metaverse. The guy got lucky once, that's all, he is not the modern Oracle.

I’ve definitely seen a pattern in business where some guy effectively wins the lottery, and the business world puts him on a throne, gives him endless capital, and listens breathlessly to his musings about how to successfully win the lottery.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says AI could soon do the work of Meta's midlevel engineers

#18

That is the same person who renamed his company to Meta and went all in into the metaverse and how we all be working in the metaverse. The guy got lucky once, that's all, he is not the modern Oracle.

I say this half-jokingly, but only half: Zuck's on TRT now and thinking much more clearly.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says AI could soon do the work of Meta's midlevel engineers

#19

Great, more midlevel engineers for me. I genuinely cannot see how AI is going to be bad for programmers. It doesnt do the entire job. It does snippits and you must integrate everything. (And if it does the entire job, amazing! Maybe we can spend extra time on a good UI or extra unit tests) AI could reduce our staff by half, but that isnt what happens. Instead we just get more work done. The productivity increase seem…

Thank you, this is what I've been trying to say for awhile now.

It feels like people are assuming that there's only so much work that can actually be done, and I don't think that's what happens in practice; instead we figure out how to exploit the resources more instead of doing "the same with less".

Basically I feel most people are not thinking in terms of Gustafson's Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustafson%27s_law

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