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Re: Rewilding the Self

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My problem with the term “ecological balance” is that it doesn’t exist. It’s a mythical term that seems invented by Disney. Nature is brutal. Populations will get wiped out, species will disappear.

That’s exactly why having a lot of species is important. But it’s hardly balanced.

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We are nature. The separation between humanity and nature is a false one, that works against conservation efforts. I like the idea of rewilding because it forces us to see ourselves as part of a large natural system - which is what we are - and helps grow appreciation for that system. But until there is a way for recognition of that system to become more profitable than "othering" nature - polluting the environment,…

There's a word for it: anthropocentrism. Also a common fallacy/myth: the noble savage.

"But it wouldn't have been ecological. The geotects of Imperial Tectonics would not have known an ecosystem if they'd been living in the middle of one. But they did know that ecosystems were especially tiresome when they got fubared, so they protected the environment with the same implacable, plodding, green-visioned mentality that they applied to designing overpasses and culverts."

-- Neal Stephenson, The Diamond Age.

Kind of interesting timing given the mysterious sea fence that appeared recently [1].

Does that mean there's still some sort of hope...?

[1] https://en.tempo.co/read/1963072/after-much-protest-pantura-...

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The problem lies in the idea that humans can own land. Hah. We're so dumb. We cannot "own" land.

Of course we can. You're perhaps thinking of ownership as being something more than a social construction, but that's all it is. "Own" just means that we agree with other people that we have certain rights over some property - land, or whatever. That ownership is enforced to varying degrees by society. That's it.

Yep. The same fallacy would get you “we can’t own a candy bar because its component atoms originated in distant stars billions of years ago and will outlive our solar system”. Sorry, no, that’s my Kit Kat.

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We are nature. The separation between humanity and nature is a false one, that works against conservation efforts. I like the idea of rewilding because it forces us to see ourselves as part of a large natural system - which is what we are - and helps grow appreciation for that system. But until there is a way for recognition of that system to become more profitable than "othering" nature - polluting the environment,…

This is a take on environmental communication I’ve heard more and more of recently. Out of curiosity, do you know of other literature or people trying to reframe the human/nature relationship?

William Cronon, "The Trouble with Wilderness: Or, Getting Back to the Wrong Nature"

https://faculty.washington.edu/timbillo/Readings%20and%20doc...

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"walking barefoot in the grass, planting native species in our backyards, or simply pausing to observe the life teeming around us" - from the fine article Ok, I'll get right on it.

I don't get the downvotes.

It's hard to read any fraction of this article without wanting to take a walk away from the computer.

Re: Rewilding the Self

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My problem with the term “ecological balance” is that it doesn’t exist. It’s a mythical term that seems invented by Disney. Nature is brutal. Populations will get wiped out, species will disappear. That’s exactly why having a lot of species is important. But it’s hardly balanced.

It does seem that there are periods and places where things are in equilibrium, or stable. At some point, something typically comes along and disturbs that balance. This can be seen in the fossil record, where you have lots of species going extinct during fairly short periods of time, while there are other times when not much happens.

What people are concerned about is that we, as humans, are the thing that is disturbing the balance at the moment.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course we can. You're perhaps thinking of ownership as being something more than a social construction, but that's all it is. "Own" just means that we agree with other people that we have certain rights over some property - land, or whatever. That ownership is enforced to varying degrees by society. That's it.

Yep. The same fallacy would get you “we can’t own a candy bar because its component atoms originated in distant stars billions of years ago and will outlive our solar system”. Sorry, no, that’s my Kit Kat.

You can have your Kit Kat and eat it too? You must be thinking of Twix.

Re: Rewilding the Self

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We are nature. The separation between humanity and nature is a false one, that works against conservation efforts. I like the idea of rewilding because it forces us to see ourselves as part of a large natural system - which is what we are - and helps grow appreciation for that system. But until there is a way for recognition of that system to become more profitable than "othering" nature - polluting the environment,…

This is a take on environmental communication I’ve heard more and more of recently. Out of curiosity, do you know of other literature or people trying to reframe the human/nature relationship?

Try "Way of Being" by James Bridle.

Re: Rewilding the Self

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We are nature. The separation between humanity and nature is a false one, that works against conservation efforts. I like the idea of rewilding because it forces us to see ourselves as part of a large natural system - which is what we are - and helps grow appreciation for that system. But until there is a way for recognition of that system to become more profitable than "othering" nature - polluting the environment,…

This is a take on environmental communication I’ve heard more and more of recently. Out of curiosity, do you know of other literature or people trying to reframe the human/nature relationship?

David Abram's 1996 book The Spell of the Sensuous a good starting point.

This was also a central theme in a lot of the late John Moriarty's work (although approached more obliquely and holistically than Abram imo). That mantle has been picked up by Martin Shaw. Both discuss how we, as a species, have domesticated ourselves out of our natural and profound connection to the very ground of our being. See also philosopher and neuroscientist Iain McGilchrist's The Master and his Emmisary.

Re: Rewilding the Self

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"walking barefoot in the grass, planting native species in our backyards, or simply pausing to observe the life teeming around us" - from the fine article Ok, I'll get right on it.

I don't get the downvotes. It's hard to read any fraction of this article without wanting to take a walk away from the computer.

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