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Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Post by DrewADesign »

slg wrote: post #65
ripped_britches wrote: post #13

“Large company ships half baked product” has gotta be the least interesting story to read

Sure, if you view this as an isolated incident. But I think of it more as the latest example of the larger trend of how the industry has gone mad actively making their products worse with half-baked AI features. That is a more interesting story.

And this is the closest thing the professional imaging world has to a broadly-available tool designed for high-end professional use cases. It's barely consistently good enough for throwaway blog headers in its current state for large edits, and for small edits it's exactly 0 percent better than the removal tools they added 20 years ago. Adobe better start giving some love to its professional users because the alternatives are getting better, and their ecosystem is getting worse. It's like they're trying to put themselves in a position where they're competing with Canva and Instagram rather than Affinity, Procreate, Rebelle, etc. If it's not clear to them yet that they're not right-around-the-corner from having their AI tools be a drop-in replacement for their regular stuff, they're gonna have a bad time.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Post by jdiff »

geuis wrote: post #59
ludwik wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not deep linking (i.e., something set up by the person posting the link). It’s simply the specific device being configured to handle regular web links differently.

I know what you're referring to. However there's no ability on iOS to control this behavior.

There is but it's not intuitive. Long press on a link and you can open it without it being sent away and apparently this sticks.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Post by DrewADesign »

strogonoff wrote: post #54
serviceberry wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's any AI-fication going on in that photo. The modified version has a more compressed tone curve to bring out more detail, along with jacked up saturation (especially evident for water). This is similar to what most cell phones do by default to make photos look more pleasing. I do agree that the original looks better, but the author of the post clearly prefers the modified version.

Clipped highlights in digital photography are simply impossible to eliminate in post-processing without conjuring nonexistent information. Even if you shoot raw. Different raw processors use different tricks, color propagation and such, but naturally they are best used when highlights are really small. I would not be surprised if tools like Lightroom invoke ML at the first hint of clipping (because why not, if you al…

nah-- even in the supplied jpg the histogram shows they're not clipping the highlights, and if you crank down the brightness, you can see the detail.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Post by ryandrake »

thegeomaster wrote: post #66
slg wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, if you view this as an isolated incident. But I think of it more as the latest example of the larger trend of how the industry has gone mad actively making their products worse with half-baked AI features. That is a more interesting story.

Is it actively worse, though? My impression is that all of the other, classical-based in-painting methods are still alive and well in Adobe products. And I think their in-painting works well, when it does work. To me, this honestly sounds like an improvement, especially in a creative tool like Lightroom or Photoshop --- the artist has more options to achieve their vision; it's usually understood to be up to the artis…

I'm not an artist or an Adobe customer, but when I see products adding half-baked or defective features, it tarnishes their brand and would definitely make me re-consider trusting their product. Especially for professional use, and regardless of whether the rest of the product still works fine. It's a general indicator of carelessness and tolerance of quality problems.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Post by jdiff »

benreesman wrote: post #50
geuis wrote: post #15

Ok I'm getting tired of this habit of deep linking to apps. The apps either override existing web pages featuring the same content, or there's a web redirect to an app I might have installed but am not signed into. So in multiple cases, it's difficult to just read whatever the information is. Web pages are universally accessible. Everyone has a browser on their device of choice. The web is 35 years old. Access to inf…

I don’t know why you’re getting dogpiled over this, it’s a terrible experience of creeping non-consensual computation. I had the official bsky app installed, but I ended up with Graysky at some point and just forgot about it, and somewhere along the way my browser vendor (Apple) and the app vendor (bsky) decided that I would probably tolerate this horseshit. Reddit pulls the same shit but that’s extra special because…

Your device is misconfigured. That's not HN's fault, what has been posted is a completely ordinary link that would function in a perfectly ordinary way if you had configured your device properly.

This wouldn't even be CLOSED WONTFIX, there is literally nothing that anyone but you could do to fix this.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Post by undersuit »

ggm wrote: post #10
sandspar wrote: post #2

Any reason why "AI made a flub" is still newsworthy? We know it does this.

Because of people posting on the singularity and AGI prospects: we need to keep the feed of counter examples active. After all, this is training data too.

Gotta find out the vulnerabilities of the paperclip maximizer, disguising ourselves as a crypto currency could be our only hope.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Post by DrewADesign »

thegeomaster wrote: post #66
slg wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, if you view this as an isolated incident. But I think of it more as the latest example of the larger trend of how the industry has gone mad actively making their products worse with half-baked AI features. That is a more interesting story.

Is it actively worse, though? My impression is that all of the other, classical-based in-painting methods are still alive and well in Adobe products. And I think their in-painting works well, when it does work. To me, this honestly sounds like an improvement, especially in a creative tool like Lightroom or Photoshop --- the artist has more options to achieve their vision; it's usually understood to be up to the artis…

Unfortunately, the Adobe ecosystem on a whole is like OS-level complex, and they're pretty much ignoring anything that isn't directly related to generative AI, and that stuff is only consistently good for the lowest-level use cases. Miles more useful than Comfy, etc. for most artists and designers, but not close for people that need to do more skillful work. The value of Adobe as an ecosystem was their constant upgrading and keeping up with the times, and now, if it's not some cockamamie generative AI feature, it's going nowhere. They're even worse with bug fixes than they were before.

Re: Adobe Lightroom's AI Remove feature added a Bitcoin to bird in flight photo

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Aurornis wrote: post #30
deadbabe wrote: post #21

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The nefarious thing is some people will tell you there’s nothing wrong with the link and gaslight you into thinking you’re crazy – because they don’t have the Bluesky app installed.

> and gaslight you I have the Bluesky app installed and did not see a pop-up. It’s not “gaslighting”. It’s people having different experiences due to different OSes and settings. It’s amazing how meaningless the word gaslighting has become.

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