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Chatham House Rule is suddenly everywhere in the Bay Area

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Exactly. "I really want to say conservative or racist things but don't want to be considered conservative or racist by the public!"

Do you think people on social media should be required to disclose their names?

I would love a real-names only network. There should be other networks as well, but this should be an option.

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If you look at voting maps for the 2024 USA Presidential Election, you can see that there is a blue band of Democratic voters right down the coast, including the Bay Area. The Bay Area in particular appears to have a very different culture to most of the USA, although I have never been there so cannot confirm that statement personally. I don't think that many Democratic party members consider themselves conservative,…

Mainstream Democrats are conservative, mainstream Republicans are regressive. There is no actual liberal-centric major political party in the US, let alone one that's genuinely leftist.

> let alone one that's genuinely leftist

There are plenty of elected leftists in America. We don’t have a major leftist party because we don’t have a major leftist voting bloc.

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In the usa context yes, but i think its wrong to hold that the concept in general is soley about governments. E.g. if someone beats you up due to a view you expressed, i consider that a free speech issue.

> E.g. if someone beats you up due to a view you expressed, i consider that a free speech issue. If the police beat you up, then that's a freedom of speech issue (as well as police abuse, etc), since one might argue that the government is suppressing your speech. If a private citizen beats you up, then I disagree; it's merely a matter of assault. That's illegal anyway and your speech had little to do with it. If some…

In your example, speech has everything to do with it. It is the motivation for the crime of assault, correct? And its intention is to suppress speech by deterring others through violence.

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> this is a safe space for me to say unpopular things and not get labeled as a conservative The first one is confusing. The US is a very conservative country. It just elected a very conservative president. Statistically like 40% of voters call themselves conservative.

If you look at voting maps for the 2024 USA Presidential Election, you can see that there is a blue band of Democratic voters right down the coast, including the Bay Area. The Bay Area in particular appears to have a very different culture to most of the USA, although I have never been there so cannot confirm that statement personally. I don't think that many Democratic party members consider themselves conservative,…

The “blue bands” is deceiving. Cities are mostly blue, rural areas are mostly red.

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> seems a bit better, albeit with more work Are the NDAs signed between attendees and the host? That puts the host in the awkward position of having to enforce the NDAs, even if the injured party is one of the guests.

Don't you mean, the offending party?

No. If you, me and Bob sign an NDA and I leak your secrets, you’re the injured party.

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Can you give some examples? I'm out of the loop. Personally, I am trying to think of something I could say five years ago that I can't say now.

In 2020, it was acceptable to say that the FDA was rushing through the COVID vaccine's authorization process and not doing a good job of making sure it was safe.

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> there’s a liberating and freeing quality to the idea that this is a safe space for me to say unpopular things and not get labeled as a conservative or racist,” Lederer said. Tantalizing, now I really wonder what he said.

I thought conservatives were against safe spaces?

Conservatives have been known to be a wee bit hypocritical from time to time.

(To be fair, liberals can too, but IMHO conservatives are more adept at it.)

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Not everything has to be legal. The consequence is you don't get invited back and some people might think less of you. Legally enforcing every social norm is dystopian.

> Legally enforcing every social norm is dystopian Persecuting people for their beliefs by exploiting loopholes (e.g. blast on social media, bully their employer, etc) is also pretty dystopian, don't you think? And it's not like the persecutors ever give you the full story. For example, the reporting on Meta ending DEI didn't want you to know their rather logical view of the situation (discrimination on the basis of…

What do you think “the marketplace of ideas” actually is, if not talking shit about people with shitty ideas?

Such a ridiculously overloaded use of the word “persecution.”

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> if not being asked that is the definition of presumption If I want to have a discussion about South Africa, that's between me and whomever I'm speaking to. South Africa doesn't have a global veto on conversations about itself. > would be same as my neighbor discussing how to fix my problems with my wife If they're having a conversation in their house about your relationship, I don't see the issue. It's rude. But it…

> If they're having a conversation in their house about your relationship It is not private though, we are not talking about diplomats doing it in confidential communications, nobody is objecting to that . What we are describing is equivalent to having a public conversation in the street in front of your home where you can see them having it

> What we are describing is equivalent to having a public conversation in the street in front of your home where you can see them having it

Still rude, but nothing more.

Re: Chatham House Rule is suddenly everywhere in the Bay Area

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So people feel free to speak candidly?

Or irresponsibly, ignorantly, stupidly, recklessly ...

As social animals, we think, learn and grow by interacting with others. It's absolutely ok to say stupid things you aren't sure about, and I think it's generally better that people do so in smaller personal settings rather than broadcasting to the internet at large.
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