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Wat? Our company's CI is GitLab CI, self-hosted. What other runners would we need?
The local ones, mentioned in the original comment that we've been discussing in this thread? The local runner, executing on the developer's machine.
Another factor is frequency of use. I use LaTeX to do big write-ups on the order of once per year or less. LaTeX at the level I use it is not a hard tool, but I generally start a new document by copy-pasting a previous document because there is a lot of detail about how to use it that I'm never going to remember given that I only use it for a few weeks once a year.
However, despite the fact that I used to use LaTeX very much, I always copy-pasted from a template. It is even worse with beamer presentations and TikZ pictures where I would copy-paste from a previous presentation or picture rather than a template.
For TikZ I am pretty sure that the tool is inherently complex and I just haven't spent enough time to learn it properly.
For LaTeX I have certainly spent enough time on learning it so I wonder whether it might be something different.
In my opinion it could very well be a matter of “(in)sane defaults”. Good tools should come with good defaults. However, LaTeX is not a good tool wrt. this metric, because basically all my documents start something like
~~~ \documentclass[paper=a4, DIV9, 12pt, abstracton, headings=normal, captions=tableheading]{scrartcl} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} \usepackage[english,german,ngerman]{babel} \usepackage[english,german]{fancyref} % ... \usepackage{microtype} \usepackage{hyperref} ~~~
Most of this is to get some basic non-ASCII support that is needed for my native tongue or enable some sane defaults (A4 paper, microtype...) which in a modern tool like e.g. pandoc/markdown may not be needed...
Hence the purpose of copy-pasing the stuff around is often to get good defaults which a better tool might give you right out of the box (then without copy/paste).
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It's not self hosting. It's can I run the build from my local command line and get the same results.
How is running those runners on our own hosts (locally) not self-hosting?
However, as of v16 there is no more exec https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/385235 which I guess is good and bad. Good in that it not longer sets improper expectations that it could have plausibly done anything, and bad in that now it joins GitHub Actions[1] in not having any _local_ test strategy aside from "boot up gitlab/gitlab-ce && echo good luck"
1: yes, I'm acutely aware of the 3(?) implementations/forks of nektos/act that claim to do GHA but, again, readme is not software and I can tell you with the utmost certainty they do not do as advertised
calling this "Makefile" effect is a terrible disservice. one could as easily call it "PHP" effect, "YAML" effect, etc. pick whichever language you'd personally like to denigrate. there is nothing that makes makefiles inherently more or less susceptible to this. if it's more common, it's because people don't want to take the time doing more solid engineering and clean design for something like a ci/cd config or a make…
Also no matter how complicated and subtle you think your makefile is, true experts will tell you it's wrong and you instead copy their apparently over-engineered, hard to understand makefile
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> That leaves 50% who don’t really know much beyond a few LeetCode puzzles and have no real grasp of what they’re copying and pasting. Small nuance: I think people often don’t know because they don’t have the time to figure it out. There are only so many battles you can fight during a day. For example if I’m a C++ programmer working on a ticket, how many layers of the stack should I know? For example, should I know h…
That's why suggestions like RTFM! are stupid. I just don't have time to read every reference documentation of every tool I use.
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> That leaves 50% who don’t really know much beyond a few LeetCode puzzles and have no real grasp of what they’re copying and pasting. Small nuance: I think people often don’t know because they don’t have the time to figure it out. There are only so many battles you can fight during a day. For example if I’m a C++ programmer working on a ticket, how many layers of the stack should I know? For example, should I know h…
That's why suggestions like RTFM! are stupid. I just don't have time to read every reference documentation of every tool I use.
I mean, it's sort of ok if you read somewhere how to use it and you use it in the same way, but I, for one, always check the docs and more often even the implementation to see what I can expect.
The best term for this is Cargo Cult Development. Cargo Cults arose in the Pacific during World War II, where native islanders would see miraculous planes bringing food, alcohol and goods to the islands and then vanishing into the blue. The islanders copied what they saw the soldiers doing, praying that their bamboo planes and coconut gadgets would impress the gods and restart the flow of cargo to the area. The issue…
I don't think of this as being cargo cult development. Cargo culting has more to do with mimicking practices that have worked before without understanding that they only worked within a broader context that is now missing. It's about going through motions or rituals that are actually ineffective on their own in the hopes that you'll get the results that other companies got who also happened to perform those same moti…
Where people copy the giant boilerplate projects for React, K8, Terraform, etc. and go from there. Those boilerplates are ideal for mid to large scale projects. And it's likely you'll need them someday. But in the early stages of development it's going to impart a lot of architecture decisions that really aren't necessary.
The best term for this is Cargo Cult Development. Cargo Cults arose in the Pacific during World War II, where native islanders would see miraculous planes bringing food, alcohol and goods to the islands and then vanishing into the blue. The islanders copied what they saw the soldiers doing, praying that their bamboo planes and coconut gadgets would impress the gods and restart the flow of cargo to the area. The issue…
I don't think of this as being cargo cult development. Cargo culting has more to do with mimicking practices that have worked before without understanding that they only worked within a broader context that is now missing. It's about going through motions or rituals that are actually ineffective on their own in the hopes that you'll get the results that other companies got who also happened to perform those same moti…
So when the inevitable tweak or change is made it's made in the easiest, cheapest way - which is usually copying an existing example, which itself was copied from somewhere else.
I see exactly the same in other teams repositories. Easiest path taken to patch what already exists as the cost/benefit just isn't perceived to be there to worth prioritising.
Another factor is frequency of use. I use LaTeX to do big write-ups on the order of once per year or less. LaTeX at the level I use it is not a hard tool, but I generally start a new document by copy-pasting a previous document because there is a lot of detail about how to use it that I'm never going to remember given that I only use it for a few weeks once a year.
I usually try to avoid the "makefile effect" by learning the technolgoy I use reasonably frequently (like e.g. Makefiles, Shell Scripts, ...). However, despite the fact that I used to use LaTeX very much, I always copy-pasted from a template. It is even worse with beamer presentations and TikZ pictures where I would copy-paste from a previous presentation or picture rather than a template. For TikZ I am pretty sure t…
For LaTeX I also copy-paste a whole lot from older files, but I don't feel bad because (a) I wrote these files before, (b) I know exactly what each line is doing, (c) I understand why each line is needed in the new doc.
I wrote a relatively large amount of TikZ code earlier in my life (basically used it as a substitute for Illustrator) and for this library in particular, I think it just has so much syntax to remember that I cannot keep it all in my brain for ever. So I gladly copy from my old TikZ code.
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If you spend 80% of your time (and mental energy) applying the knowledge you already have and 20% learning new things, you will very quickly be able to win more battles per day than someone who spends 1% of their time learning new things. Specifically for the examples at hand: - at 20%, you will be able to write a Makefile from scratch within the first day of picking up the manual, rather than two or three weeks if y…
You make it sound easy, but I think it's hard to know where to invest your learning time. For example, I could put some energy into getting better at shell scripting but realistically I don't write enough of it that it'll stick so for me I don't think it'd be a good use of time. Perhaps in learning more shell scripting I have a breakthrough and realise I can do lots of things I couldn't before and overnight can do 10…
This algorithm makes you learn the things you'll need quite well without having to understand and/or predict the future.