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Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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How do you end homelessness, when some percent of homeless people will, if you give them a place to stay, smoke meth all day and make their apartment and nearby apartments health hazards? Many drug addicts don't want to be addicted, and would try to go through treatment if provided. But some are inveterate, and don't want to quit. What do you do with them?

Not all homeless people are dangerous drug addicts.

Notice how I never said they were.

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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post #110

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Everyone wants to live in the centre of Helsinki, because why not?

I'm not saying give everyone the nicest center flat. Let's say an acceptable commute distance away, up to 30min by public transport.

Why not? Am I worse than others?

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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With all due respect, why volunteer? I notice this with a lot of homeless people I chat with (there's a lot here in Boulder) - many of them volunteer their time at various charities while being homeless. Wouldn't it be better devoting 100% of your spare time to getting back on your feet, and then volunteer, or donate?

Why do most people have only one job? Wouldn't it be better to spend evenings at a second job and then have leisure when you retire?

I guess you're trying to make some point, but I don't really see it.

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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post #122

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I'm not saying give everyone the nicest center flat. Let's say an acceptable commute distance away, up to 30min by public transport.

Why not? Am I worse than others?

Yes, or just unlucky. The goal of my proposal is not to create equality, but to establish a minimum below which people cannot fall.

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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The US chooses not to end homelessness. We have the highest GDP in the world. We could end it if we wanted to. I was in Japan recently. A choice was made there as well.

US and Europe have different reasone for homelessnes. Give free houses in US and next day you will have +400mln people from South America. In EU (I can speak for Poland) most homeless have alcohol and violence problems - people removed from homes for domestic violence by court (divorce). You must be quite bad person if no one takes care of you, in a country with a) strong family tights and b) many people owning a home.

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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This issue is very relevant for me since I have been homeless since May. It's been a bad run of being a target of criminal activity, unemployment and just running out of money during my job search. I cope with a mix of volunteering, overpriced housing (think $1200/month for a room in a rural area before I ran out of money for that), catsitting, house-sitting, staying with family and sleeping in my ancient car. Althou…

While I'm not homeless, the existence of USB(powerbank) heated clothes have been a very comfy discovery of mine recently. A bit fiddly at times sure but having hours of comfy warmth available at the press of a button is worth it.

I've wondered if this is something adopted by the homeless already? and if not, look into it.

You still need proper insulating layers on top of the heating ones, and many of the cheapest chinese varieties might have undersized heat pads that might not use the quick charge ability and merely provide warmth as opposed to heat. But I'm welcoming every extra watt of heat whenever cold.

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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Not all homeless people are dangerous drug addicts.

Notice how I never said they were.

You do however seem to be implying "this won't work because some won't go along with it, therefore we should not do it".

In which case you're essentially saying "meth users decide everyone's housing status".

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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> In the United Kingdom, for instance, people who had been living on the streets or in shelters were housed in individual accommodations in a matter of days. So it was always possible. We just didn’t care to do so.

I get the impression "individual accommodations" were hotel rooms; and the goal was also to subsidize hotels that had no business due to the pandemic.

Housing homeless people in hotels is not sustainable. (It's also overkill, as adequate shelter doesn't need to be a motel with a queen bed. It can be a much smaller room and still be humane.)

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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post #75

1. Build a house for each homeless person 2. Remove them from the homeless count, because they now have a house. 3. Reach zero homelessness! 4. There are still people living on the streets... But we don't call them homeless!

at least now they can't say there's no home for them, it's just choice - some prefer that way.

Re: Finland's zero homeless strategy (2021)

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> In the United Kingdom, for instance, people who had been living on the streets or in shelters were housed in individual accommodations in a matter of days. So it was always possible. We just didn’t care to do so.

When they refuse to go inside do you jail them? Some cities with big hearts have been through this before.

Depends on circumstances. IE, if someone's camping in the woods, who cares. But, if someone is camping in a public park, or on someone's doorstep, or in a tunnel, than that's a different story.
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