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A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Long time Kagi subscriber here. I think their focus should be to reduce resource usage on their side and make servers cheaper to run. Not other shenanigans like t-shirt or FastGPT or whatever. They can then offer a more attractive price for general public, who has never paid for search before and gets caught in the headlights when they hear you pay. Because right now, they don’t even have 40k users and if it goes on…

It's already dirt cheap at $10 per month. Businesses who want to be successful do not bargain on their prices to try to satisfy cheapskates who are never satisfied with anything else than free anyway. They set a fair price for their product and continue to improve the value they bring to real, paying customers. With that said, they should of course reduce their operating costs when they can, just like any business.

10$ a month is not cheap for a search engine where theoretically bigger and older engines out there are available for „free“. 10 is also psychologically difficult to accept than, I don‘t know like 4.99 for example.

That‘s why it should be their focus to find a sweet spot, where it‘s still acceptable for general public to pull the trigger and subscribe and for them to keep doing this.

This is not a streaming service or whatever. Their starting point was to fight Google who don‘t give a fuck about privacy and show that it‘s possible to fix the search, which Google fucked up during the years. I am also a subscriber because of this mindset, not just because it is a „product“ of a business who wants to be successful. At least that‘s what Kagi & CEO looks like at the moment.

My criticism is directed to AI and the stuff they are working on. Because of all these AI and shenanigans, they are focusing their valuable time to something other than becoming the big guy in privacy sphere. Customer counts show that. And I am 100% sure that if Kagi would cost 4,99$ a month, we would be talking about hundreds of thousands of users already.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#132

Long time Kagi subscriber here. I think their focus should be to reduce resource usage on their side and make servers cheaper to run. Not other shenanigans like t-shirt or FastGPT or whatever. They can then offer a more attractive price for general public, who has never paid for search before and gets caught in the headlights when they hear you pay. Because right now, they don’t even have 40k users and if it goes on…

Funnily enough I quite like my Kagi t-shirt. Especially because it does not look like a tech company shirt at all. Could they do better things with their time and money? Probably. Do I care? Not really. But, I don't care about AI integrations either. I just like having decent search. And happy to pay for it as they seem to be doing things in the right spirit.

I am personally fine with the cost too, since I can afford it. My concern is that, they will go out of business because of these things. I would be really sad if that happens.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

How does Kagi Ultimate compare to Perplexity?

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Long time Kagi subscriber here. I think their focus should be to reduce resource usage on their side and make servers cheaper to run. Not other shenanigans like t-shirt or FastGPT or whatever. They can then offer a more attractive price for general public, who has never paid for search before and gets caught in the headlights when they hear you pay. Because right now, they don’t even have 40k users and if it goes on…

Funnily enough I quite like my Kagi t-shirt. Especially because it does not look like a tech company shirt at all. Could they do better things with their time and money? Probably. Do I care? Not really. But, I don't care about AI integrations either. I just like having decent search. And happy to pay for it as they seem to be doing things in the right spirit.

Yeah I thought the t-shirt move was ridiculous, but it's genuinely a very high-quality shirt. I'd like all my company shirts to be made by them. It's still a bizarre unrelated business decision, but at least they nailed it.

Agree about not being interested in AI integrations. I pay for a quality search engine, and I am happy with that product at the moment.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Say something positive about kagi, receive karma. Say something negative about google, receive karma. No place with this kind of system should be relied on for veracious claims.

It's not a system, you are just describing sentiment, people generally like Kagi and generally dislike Google.

> people generally like Kagi and generally dislike Google

The reason the words "on hacker news" is missing from that statement is the karma system. I am describing echo chambers.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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I’m not making some political argument here, I’m saying “boycott Russia due to its war of aggression against a neighbor” isn’t buying into “US foreign policy.” There are direct moral and ethical implications totally aside from any policy ones. Make whatever moral calculus you want, just don’t play the goofball contrarian stuff and act like that’s derived from some high and mighty “I am independent from US foreign pol…

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> and you do not boycott any companies in any other countries conducting wars

Perfect is the enemy of the good. Feeding one hungry person is good. It doesn't make one a hypocrite if one doesn't feed them all. (The person yelling about the one doing good being a hypocrite, on the other hand, is less clearly uncontemptible.)

I’m not happy about Kagi integrating Yandex. But I’m not going to drop them over it. That’s a personal tradeoff I’m willing to make, though I readily admit it’s trading access to a great product for participating in something evil.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Only psychopath children: “I’m not bullying him, I’m just saying if he does anything I don’t want him to do I will bully him.” Allegedly astute observers of European history: “Russia isn’t an aggressor, it just will aggress if its independent neighbors do anything Russia doesn’t like.” Yeah bro that’s still called “starting a war.”

sure, but that is sadly how world politics works. if the US expands nato right to the border of russia then they retaliate. ukraine fought a war against their own citizens in the eastern half when they sympathized with opening up to russia - a majority there perceives themselves as russians. this is not just whataboutism - if you don't fight for resources then you'll have to buy them for a very high price. and ukrain…

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

That (25 usd for Claude + Kagi) is the best sales pitch ever. I'm switching :) Not sure what I'll do when Grok 3 comes out (I expect it to beat every other LLM out there hands down) but we'll see by then :p

What is it about Grok that you expect to be so much better? Not disagreeing necessarily, just want to know your reasoning.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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I tried Orion for a bit but unfortunately it is still a bit too unstable. The one bug that made me put it aside for now was Orion maxing out a CPU for no reason (while locked) and coming to my macbook burning to the touch with almost no battery. This happened to me twice. Otherwise the browser is really good

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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I have used kagi for quite a while now, and i use it pretty much exclusively. I was unhappy with google ignoring many terms in my search queries and giving me results that I generally considered to be 'intro' pages and generic content, even when my searches were very specific. I have found kagi much better. I dont use any of the advanced stuff like summarisation or ai stuff, i just want search results that have my ke…

Google search is almost useless for anything but the most basic queries now. Anything technical and it ignores half of the search terms like you said.

Google Search has been in decline since they came up with Google+ and removed the Plus Operator from Google Search at the same time (and replaced it with quotes that don't do the same thing). About 13-14 years ago.
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