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Firefox 15 plugs the add-on leaks

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Re: Firefox 15 plugs the add-on leaks

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Post by rexreed »

markokocic wrote: post #29
rexreed wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if I'm the only person that feels anxious that Gmail + Google Calendar + Chrome + Google Drive + Google Search + Google Docs + Android Phone + Google Maps + Google Voice + ... gives one company an astoundingly deep and unfettered view of exactly everything you are doing, who you are talking to, and even what you are thinking (to the extent it is reflected in those activities) at every waking moment of your l…

While some of those things don't have alternatives, some certainly have. You just need to use them. > Gmail + Google Calendar + Chrome + Google Drive + Google Search + Google Docs + Android Phone + Google Maps + ... What about: Gmail + Google Calendar + Firefox + Dropbox/Wuala + DuckDuckGo + Live Docs + Android Phone + Nokia Maps + ... Of course, you could go Google free if you want, I just pointed the alternative th…

I actually still POP my mail (if you can believe it), so I haven't yet adopted Gmail, but I feel the lure. If I want to share my archives across any of my machines, I have to constantly sync them, and I don't really have remote access to my mail, unless I leave it on the server for X days, and then I don't benefit from deep search. But I do get access to my mail and archives going back to 1998 while I'm offline, and that's definitely a plus.

I've been looking for a good, self-hosted version of Gmail that can replace my POP for a while, but the main reason why the lure of Google is so strong is convenience. And cost. And to some extent, reliability. Living a Google-free life is definitely doable but it can come at a cost (time, expense, convenience, functionality, reliability). That's the main tradeoff.

Re: Firefox 15 plugs the add-on leaks

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Post by conradfr »

conradfr wrote: post #6

As a webdev who use Firebug (and Adblock) a lot, I'm so glad about this. FINALLY ! However they are three years too late about that, from a market share perspective.

Testing the beta on XP (sic), seems to work ok.

edit: still good three hours later, capped around 500mo.

Re: Firefox 15 plugs the add-on leaks

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Post by rat87 »

tjoff wrote: post #28
gjm11 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nowadays Firefox typically uses less memory than Chrome (though of course this depends on exactly what you measure and how). It's highly debatable which is faster -- this depends even more on how you measure -- but Chrome certainly isn't miles ahead. Chrome may have all the extensions you currently use, but Firefox still has a lot more; perhaps the next one you'd find useful will be Firefox-only. None of which means…

If you use a lot of tabs and don't close your browser for long periods of time Chrome is vastly superior to Firefox (and all other browsers) in terms of memory use and stability. Even if you don't use any add-ons at all. I've always taken issue with Firefox, it has the broadest support and community centered around add-ons - but if you actually use any add-on the browser becomes completely useless. I've been bitten s…

> If you use a lot of tabs and don't close your browser for long periods of time Chrome is vastly superior to Firefox (and all other browsers) in terms of memory use and stability.

But not in terms of ui, tabs shrink till they hold no text in chrome instead of scrolling like in firefox.

Re: Firefox 15 plugs the add-on leaks

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Post by pilif »

bru wrote: post #30
suprgeek wrote: post #18

I am very happy that the Firefox team has finally managed to lick this issue. When at every occasion I used to raise this issue, the typical Mozilla Evangelist would answer: "It is because of the add-ons". My counter to this was that the whole Raison d'être for Firefox is its add-ons community. You cannot claim that there are great benefits to this approach while simultaneously ignoring the problems caused by it. Bet…

>One is closed source Actually, so is Chrome.

The differences between Chrome and Chromium are minimal - aside of Chrome bunding some mostly unwanted plugins:

http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoog...

Re: Firefox 15 plugs the add-on leaks

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Post by rat87 »

rexreed wrote: post #26
twodayslate wrote: post #9

I used to be an avid Firefox user. I switched to Chrome because it was faster and had all the same extensions I used on Firefox. Why should I switch back? Chrome is still faster no?

I am also a happy FireFox user, but recently I have found a growing number of websites that won't even let you use their functionality unless you are using Chrome or Safari (Fluid for one: https://www.fluidui.com/editor/live/ ). It must have something to do with FF's support of certain capabilities, although specifically what I'm not sure. This is pushing me to use Chrome for those reasons - so I hope that FF fills w…

> I am also a happy FireFox user, but recently I have found a growing number of websites that won't even let you use their functionality unless you are using Chrome or Safari

This seems unlikely as FireFox user share was bigger then Chrome until recently and is much bigger then Safari. Except for Mobile, where I think the dominance of Android/ios has led to a lot of use of webkit specific features.

Re: Firefox 15 plugs the add-on leaks

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Post by tjoff »

rat87 wrote: post #33
tjoff wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you use a lot of tabs and don't close your browser for long periods of time Chrome is vastly superior to Firefox (and all other browsers) in terms of memory use and stability. Even if you don't use any add-ons at all. I've always taken issue with Firefox, it has the broadest support and community centered around add-ons - but if you actually use any add-on the browser becomes completely useless. I've been bitten s…

> If you use a lot of tabs and don't close your browser for long periods of time Chrome is vastly superior to Firefox (and all other browsers) in terms of memory use and stability. But not in terms of ui, tabs shrink till they hold no text in chrome instead of scrolling like in firefox.

I love the way chrome handles tabs, especially the way they shrink. The icon is enough to distinguish it and even if there is no icon for that page you already know its appromixmate position and can quickly find it (which you just can't when everything scrolls and you have no idea where you are).

The firefox tab scroll feature is probably the feature I hate the most, in any browser (yes, you can disable it - but bad defaults stink and you can't just go around and change the settings in everyones browser).

First time I've come across someone that doesn't hate it :o

Re: Firefox 15 plugs the add-on leaks

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Post by wulczer »

zader wrote: post #8

For anyone who wants to download the Nightly build for Firefox 15: Windows version http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/download.html?product=... Mac version http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/download.html?product=...

Linux version http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/download.html?product=...

Re: Firefox 15 plugs the add-on leaks

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Post by nilved »

zader wrote: post #8

For anyone who wants to download the Nightly build for Firefox 15: Windows version http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/download.html?product=... Mac version http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/download.html?product=...

That's the beta version. Release is on 14, beta on 15, aurora on 16 and nightly on 17.

Firefox nightlies are here: http://nightly.mozilla.org/

Re: Firefox 15 plugs the add-on leaks

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Post by pmarsh »

One of the issues I've seen people complain about is having to close Firefox after a few days. I understand you shouldn't HAVE to close a program, but how are people using their browsers that this becomes such an huge problem?

Re: Firefox 15 plugs the add-on leaks

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Post by AndrewDucker »

rexreed wrote: post #31
markokocic wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While some of those things don't have alternatives, some certainly have. You just need to use them. > Gmail + Google Calendar + Chrome + Google Drive + Google Search + Google Docs + Android Phone + Google Maps + ... What about: Gmail + Google Calendar + Firefox + Dropbox/Wuala + DuckDuckGo + Live Docs + Android Phone + Nokia Maps + ... Of course, you could go Google free if you want, I just pointed the alternative th…

I actually still POP my mail (if you can believe it), so I haven't yet adopted Gmail, but I feel the lure. If I want to share my archives across any of my machines, I have to constantly sync them, and I don't really have remote access to my mail, unless I leave it on the server for X days, and then I don't benefit from deep search. But I do get access to my mail and archives going back to 1998 while I'm offline, and…

If you use IMAP then you have access to all your mail from anywhere, using a standard protocol.

GMail supports IMAP, but then so do many other mail servers.

(You can also use a web front end like RoundCube, if you want to.)

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