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Real condescending dad energy right?
Right, because assuming people willingly get fat as fuck and die early of heart failure is not lmao
I love that you care this much. It warms my soul.
Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
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I used to drink a lot of soda but stopped 15 years ago and have had a total of three or four cans since. I switched to unsweetened green tea instead of a zero-calorie soda because I don't like the taste of artificial sweeteners, and I am somewhat suspicious of the unknown long-term consequences of their use.
> I am somewhat suspicious of the unknown long-term consequences of their use. Can you elaborate on what you mean? You're suspicious that sweetened drinks are more harmful than advertised? Less harmful? Something else?
A lot of sweeterers used are synthatically created, and their long-term health effects are not well studied.
They could cause various diseases, or could confuse your metablic system, because your body thinks it is getting calories because the food is sweet, but then the calories are not there so you could actually get an energy drop from it.
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#373There is almost nothing* like sugar drinks in the natural world our bodies evolved in. Sugar drinks are about as different as tea leaves and pure cocaine. It's is no coincidence that both are refined white powders. *honey
I take it you haven’t tried a nice ripe mango from subtropical regions, or a pineapple, white grapes (or grape juice), watermelon, navel oranges? They can be sweeter than Dr. Pepper. Sugarcane also exists and you can chew it. They just tended to 1) come with fiber, 2) not be as easy to acquire or eat in large quantities 3) not available all year, or all at once
Yes, but when you eat fruit, you also eat the fibers. That slows down your uptake, and will prevent a sugar spike.
You don't want your blood sugar level to spike, because then your body will create insulin. The insulin's job is to move the sugar out of the blood. It does this by sending the sugar, which is fuel, to the muscles that need it. If there are no muscles needing fuel, it goes to fat cells for storage.
Then after that, sugar levels drop below normal levels. And then you get cravings for a quick snack or sugary drink, and the cycle starts over again.
If you eat your sugar with fibers, like in fruit, you don't get a sugar spike, and you don't get an insuline spike, and a sugar drop.
Also fruit contains a lot more healthy things aside from the sugar. Vitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants.
So yeah, it really is a world of difference whether you drink a cola or eat an apple.
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First you should take a few long minutes and think hard about why you drink this shit in the first place.
Cuz it tastes good? Because I’m addicted? Because the caffeine is great. Because I hate the taste of coffee. Because I can? I dunno.
Hehe ok, next question: do you think those are positive reasons for drinking sodas?
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#375I'm from latam. I never saw anyone drink water growing up. Anytime you try to drink water, people label you as boring, even your parents. Whenever we go to a restaurant, the first thing you ask the waiter is "what sodas do you have?". If you're not feeling like drinking soda and want something "healthier", you ask what kinds of fruit juices they have. If you don't like the options, you settle on a hyper-sweetened tea…
Is there a lack of education on nutrition?
Growing up in the 1990s and early 2000s in the United States in a middle class suburban environment, it was definitely considered "boring" to get a water instead of a soda when going out for dinner at a restaurant as a family, but at home it was not. I think we had some awareness that it wasn't healthy to drink soda for every single meal or just when hanging out, but it absolutely was considered normal to have it every day, to drink several cans at a party, to drink several cans at work. If you had drank it at breakfast you would have been looked at like you were crazy though.
Now, living in a coastal, cultural capital city as an adult, I don't know anyone who drinks soda in their normal day-to-day life, at home, at restaurants, etc. except in special situations. If anything flavored sparkling water is common. But if I visit my hometown, I do see that people still drink soda heavily, but its diet soda.
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#377What else will they find out, that sugar is sweet?
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#378I'm from latam. I never saw anyone drink water growing up. Anytime you try to drink water, people label you as boring, even your parents. Whenever we go to a restaurant, the first thing you ask the waiter is "what sodas do you have?". If you're not feeling like drinking soda and want something "healthier", you ask what kinds of fruit juices they have. If you don't like the options, you settle on a hyper-sweetened tea…
It is very common and nobody will shame you for asking water in Brazil. Some cities even have laws mandating that filtered water should be served for free.
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#379Interesting. I think folks in the comments here maybe missed this paper is way more about the beverages part making it important. The research is around sugar sweetened beverages (SSBs). If I'm reading it right, the SSBs have a differentmetabolic effect. "Due to their liquid form, SSBs are rapidly consumed and digested, resulting in lower satiety, higher caloric intake and weight gain. High doses of rapidly digested…
About 15 years ago, I stopped drinking soda. Not out of a desire to be healthy or loose weight but simply because it dawned on me that for the same amount of sugar in one soft drink that I drink without any afterthought, I could enjoy a really good pastry that I can slowly savor. I do the same for fats. The way I look at it, I want to maximize the "enjoyment per kcalorie". :) More recently, I'm starting to apply this…
I knew a guy who did this with chocolate. He used to get a candy bar from the vending machine at work like every day, but something happened, I think he either got a health scare or saw a documentary or maybe a combo of things and was like, "Gotta stop eating these shitty chocolate bars every day."
Started setting aside the coins he was using at the vending machine and at the end of the week would get a bar from a higher quality brand at the grocery store. Learned he really liked dark chocolate. Started upgrading to nicer and nicer chocolate. Last I heard from him he was going to some of the bougie chocolate shops downtown every few months.
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This. People are getting the message that "sugar is bad" but the public health messaging of "fat is bad" still lingers in many people's heads. It's sad, because as you mentioned some days are indeed essential nutrients. Especially for kids and pregnant women.
"People are getting the message that "sugar is bad" but the public health messaging of "fat is bad" still lingers in many people's heads." If this is true then what the hell is going on? We knew this about sugar with certainly at absolute minimum a half century ago when I was a kid (I know as I remember the message). The message—even as told at school—was that 'excessive and repeated amounts of sugar (especially the…
The replies are talking about sugar industry advertizing and actual scientific discoveries that point to causation which I'm sure are real. But I even I remember just 10 years ago the common rhetoric being (even if it wasn't validated) "eat too much sugar and you'll get diabetes". Where I think the impression I had was, "Well people with diabetes have to be extremely careful about their sugar intake -> sugar causes diabetes."
I will conceed that's not how science or the cause and effect works, but that's what I and everyone around me thought.