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I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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> I am not planning to get a lawyer involved as I have faith that UW leadership will make it right in the end. An officious word for lawyer is counsel , because that’s what they’re for: they offer legal counsel. You don’t technically “talk” to a lawyer , instead you ask them questions. They answer. That’s why client-attorney privilege exists at all: so you can feel free to seek counsel, ie ask questions , without fea…

As a lawyer, your post is almost entirely incorrect. Privilege in no way depends on whether the communication involves questions. It cracks me up. As a lawyer, I would never post on HN to argue about pointer arithmetic or inference optimization, yet the law seems to be fair game for amateur hour.

>I would never post on HN to argue about pointer arithmetic or inference optimization, yet the law seems to be fair game for amateur hour.

In all fairness, You would probably be ok with criticizing software or a website that didn't work for you and offer improvements or features. There's certainly nothing wrong with that.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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or you know, offer more of the desirably classes, or charge extra for them, or give people "fun bucks" to register for classes and the more desirable ones cost more fun bucks

High-demand classes are bi-modal. The left side of the distribution is the low-level intro and survey courses. I went to a very heavily pre-med undergrad with a total enrollment of about 1,500 where the intro Chemistry course had two 100-150-person survey courses with multiple TAs. Charging more for these is pretty stupid. The answer is to offer more of them if you have the physical space, the professor(s), and the T…

god forbid schools get more desirable instructors when, in a class of 100 students, they're getting paid close to $200k in revenue if they're charging $600 per credit hour, which is on the low side, and making hundreds of millions per year off of endowment investments

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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I went to UW a decade ago, and back then it was pretty common knowledge that you don't fuck with software and the class registration system. Registering for classes was really competitive and they were really strict about making sure that no one had an edge over anyone else by being able to write code. There were plenty of rumors of people being expelled for using scripts to try to get the classes they wanted right w…

I am somewhat surprised issues of scripting and trading even exist in the registration system. Staggering enrollment times over a few days, with new waves every 20 minutes or so, mostly solves scripting issues since you are only competing with a fraction of the student body now. Giving courses waitlists once they are full, instead of allowing people to just directly register once a spot frees up, makes trading imposs…

When I went there it was staggered, which causes this desire for spot trading - seniors register first, so if you are an freshman/sophomore/junior, you beg a senior to register a spot in a class you want then coordinate them deregistering just before you register for the class. This automated that and at scale could be a big issue.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Update: I immediately took down my class project site after receiving yesterday’s ultimatum. I still don’t think the simple demo site violated the letter or spirit of the registration rules, but I took it down because I always want to operate in good faith. They followed up today to thank me for doing it, but also indicated that they were putting a hold on my account anyway. As a result, I am not going to be able to…

Please don't listen to all of these folks who are trying to bring conflict into your life. You did something interesting, and learned a lesson about how big institutions actually work. It is a great story, and one that you can tell your friends.

The easiest path forward is to do what it takes to graduate, it sounds like you are one quarter away. Smile, play nice, help out where you can. Get everything in writing.

Definitely TALK to a lawyer and have that in your back pocket. It is likely there is some sort of legal aid through the law school and you can. However, only use this as a last resort. It would be no problem for a university to drag something like this out for months or years and you will be left without a degree.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Unlike most of the other commenters I have personal experience fighting a college administration in court. It was a massive time waste and I came out losing a years of my academic career where they lost nothing (money is absolutely not a factor for a large university, nor is stalling court proceedings to waste your life). I'm not even allowed to elaborate deeply on what it was about, the settlement for putting it beh…

That's a mafia with extra steps

Welcome to the US justice system

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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UW registration weren't really open to criticism or improvement ca. 2009, either. Extremely hostile to student projects that would in any way interact with the registration system.

Having been on the IT side of student registration, it's a major undertaking for the teams involved with thousands of students to be processed in a fairly short window. Downtime of any type during the registration period has a major impact so I'm not surprised that a university is being cautious with a 3rd party system connecting and potentially causing performance or downtime issues.

Thousands is nothing, maybe the code should be written and tested more carefully?

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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> Unless, that is, I agree to work on a comparable solution for the university focused on solving the underlying problem I was building HuskySwap for. They would presumably own the IP and were clear that I wouldn’t be compensated. But it was implied that they would then remove the hold, allowing me to graduate. I'm really baffled here because the code Kaim published is itself MIT licensed. The university could use it…

I would be really shocked if that part actually happened. Major state universities don’t blackmail random students to write software for them. They make RFQs and send them to companies. There’s a software procurement process. 0 chance some person in the registrars office is taking this persons code off github and deploying it to UW production.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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I'm a university professor, and this is batshit crazy. Who ? As in not "they" or "the university", but who within the university? Can you tell where the directive is coming from? If this comes from, say, the Provost's Office then this probably can't be handled internally. (The position of Provost is the #2 position at a university, and the provost usually runs the show while the President or Chancellor goes schmoozin…

Are those numbers a sum of the total benefits or something? It seems insane that a campus security guard is making 170k.

Consider the liability to which a bad security guard can expose your organization! Not that pay guarantees quality but still

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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I am somewhat surprised issues of scripting and trading even exist in the registration system. Staggering enrollment times over a few days, with new waves every 20 minutes or so, mostly solves scripting issues since you are only competing with a fraction of the student body now. Giving courses waitlists once they are full, instead of allowing people to just directly register once a spot frees up, makes trading imposs…

I went to school about 20 years ago and we had staggered online registrations. Surprised the best solutions haven't propagated further.

Pretty much every schools uses staggered registrations to allow upper class men or even athletes the ability to get classes they need.
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