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LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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Where the hell is Karen Bass? Our government?

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> She went to Ghana on a taxpayer paid political junket, which doesn't seem like something the mayor of even a major city would be officially involved in

I live in a very mid-size city for my province and our mayor goes on international trips on city business maybe once a year. The fact itself is not out of the ordinary.

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

#522

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What is burning? Mostly bushes or mostly homes?

Some harrowing before and after photos from a Maxar instrument via LA Times (may be pay walled): https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-08/shocking... This shows Altadena, just east of JPL, and Malibu (separate fires, of course).

https://archive.is/gMzez

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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So the proposal is for 350 Million people to move to New England?

Well, in good faith, if everyone in "dangerous" areas of the US moved to less dangerous areas, the resulting population density would still be less than Ohio's (~242/mi2, also LA's population density is ~8,000/mi2--well below places like Pittsburgh and Buffalo even--so keep that in mind), and I left Alaska out of both safe and dangerous lists because it's a cheat. And it's very OK there! Winter is fine. I grew up and…

EF5 tornado can be every bit as destructive as a wildfire and in some areas they recur pretty frequently.

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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Most of these wildfires are caused by humans. Not just because of climate change but because of people intentionally starting fires who want to watch the destruction unfold. There were fires near these exact areas where fires in homeless camps were found to be the cause. Not enough was done to enforce the law and stop street people from intentionally causing destruction and being pushing for it.

This is happening and we need to discuss solutions - https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/la-homeless-enc...

We also need to discuss clearing plants and other fuel that comes back as part of the drought / rain weather patterns we are seeing. Goats and other firefighting clearing efforts need to be discussed.

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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Most of these wildfires are caused by humans. Not just because of climate change but because of people intentionally starting fires who want to watch the destruction unfold. There were fires near these exact areas where fires in homeless camps were found to be the cause. Not enough was done to enforce the law and stop street people from intentionally causing destruction and being pushing for it.

This is happening and we need to discuss solutions - https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/la-homeless-enc... We also need to discuss clearing plants and other fuel that comes back as part of the drought / rain weather patterns we are seeing. Goats and other firefighting clearing efforts need to be discussed.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-12/surge-in...

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

#526

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Insurers require ember resistant vulcan vents and the like now. It’s a relatively minor upgrade for most homeowners since its just a mesh over the vent.

Would that have stopped this fire from spreading?

Considering that winds both made the spread a lot further, faster and moving around fuel (trees/wood/material blowing around and ending up on streets and whatnot), it sounds unlikely any 1 solution would have prevented this.

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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I was in a wildfire once. I was in a grocery store and I didn’t see anything burning. 2 minutes into the store, another person came in saying they saw smoke a few blocks away. I immediately left the store and went back to the car. Before I could leave the parking lot, everything around me was on fire, there was smoke so dense I couldn’t see anything beyond 10 feet and I genuinely thought I was going to die, if not in…

Especially in this wind. Some of the strongest Santa Ana winds in a century

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Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

#528
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Which other fat targets should local governments cut? Please be specific and quantitative.

Great question, lets take a look at the 2024-2025 budget sheet for LA City: https://cao.lacity.gov/budget/summary/2024-25%20Budget%20Sum... (This PDF is great, props to whoever made it for making it so easy and accessible for normal people to read.) If you look at the pie chart on Page 11, you will see that by far the largest slice of the pie is the police budget. It's 45% of LA County's entire budget, totalling almo…

Wait a second - you're suggesting to cut LAPD funding because "crime is still rampant in Los Angeles"?

Wouldn't that be the same as advocating for cuts in the LAFD funding because they weren't able to do much about the wildfires anyway?

That doesn't seem to be the best way to go about things, at least not to me.

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

#529
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From behind a keyboard and who knows how far away from Los Angeles you are, you may look at it with other eyes than the people who lost their homes in the fires. And yes, in the end the mayor is responsible for the wellbeing of the city. And people see the mayor is nowhere to be found when their homes burned down. Who do you want them to be mad at?

Texas governor was in Acapulco and nobody blamed him. Anyway on topic an aunt of mine is a mayor of a small city (55k). Her opinion is that firefighters fight fires and having a politician walk around a disaster area with a hundred journalists isn't helping.

That’s a good point. They’d be a distraction to the fire chiefs

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

#530

Can someone explain what efforts will be made to rebuild if any? How could they rebuild knowing this can just happen again next year? It’s not like hurricanes where buildings can be made to withstand category 5 storms.

Buildings can be built to higher levels of wildfire resistance. The fire spreads because burning embers are blown downwind, settling and starting new spot fires. If they get blown into a house, the house burns. You don't need to make a house fireproof to stop wildfires, but just resistant to a shower of burning embers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvbNOPSYyss

Ok so they will rebuild
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