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VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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Can’t wait to watch anime with AI generated subs, it will be a beautiful trainwreck.

Amazon has already rolled out AI-generated subtitles for Crunchyroll anime. I discovered this while watching Last Exile, a show that has already been subtitled and dubbed in English. It's funny for a second, and then incredibly frustrating after that. Character names are regularly wrong, and sentences get rewritten to have different meanings. Instead of just reading subtitles, you have to mentally evaluate them for e…

You get what you pay for I guess. Translators are paid pennies and AI is making it much worse.

Who in their right mind would aspire to become a professional translator today?

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

#62

Totally personally skewed perspective, but thinking about the number of systems I've installed VLC on, some multiple times through rebuilds etc, 6 billion feels like a huge underestimate!

I'm guessing that's just from the main website. It's distributed so wildly I'd wager we'll never know the complete number. But yeah, I've also must have installed it at least 50 times or so, since the first time I came across it.

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

#63
post #47

Very excited for this, but a waste of energy if everyone is needing to process their video in real time.

What is the alternative?

The results could be cached, but it's probably unlikely that they would need to be used again later, as I imagine most videos are watched only once.

Another option would be to upload the generated subtitles to some service or p2p, but I believe that would also problem (e.g. privacy, who runs the service, firewalls for p2p, etc).

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

#64
post #30

me: waiting years for VLC to fix basic usability issues and reconcile UI across different platforms VLC: we're gonna work on AI

This boils down to software development not being free. In VLC's case, the development is funded by several for profit companies (like videolabs) that make their money from stuff they do with VLC (consulting, commercial services, etc.).

VLC is a good example of an OSS project that is pretty well run with decades of history that has a healthy ecosystem of people and companies earning their living supporting all that and a foundation to orchestrate the development. I don't think there ever was a lot of VC money they need to worry about. This is all organic growth and OSS working as it should.

So, this boils down to what paying customers of these companies are paying for. The project also accepts donations but those go to the foundation and not the companies. It's the companies that employ most of the developers. And you can't fault them on working on things that they value. If AI features is what they pay for then that is what they work on.

I happen to share your reservations about the UX. It's a bit old school, to put it mildy. And they obviously don't have professional designers that they work with. Like many OSS products, it looks and feels like product made by techies for techies. It doesn't bother me that much but I do notice these things. I actually talked to one of their IOS developers a few years ago. Pretty interesting person and not a huge team as I recall. I remember talking to her about some of the frustrations she had with the UX and the lack of appreciation of that. I think she moved to Netflix afterwards.

Like with most OSS projects you are welcome to take part in the meritocracy and push your favorite features or pay somebody to do that for you. But otherwise, you should just be grateful for this awesome thing existing and prospering.

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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post #52

There's an art to subtitling that goes beyond mere speech-to-text processing. Sometimes it's better to paraphrase dialog to reduce the amount of text that needs to be read. Sometimes you need to name a voice as unknown, to avoid spoilers. Sometimes the positioning on the screen matters. I hope the model can be made to understand all this.

As long as they're synced properly I don't care much, some movies/shows have really bad sound mix and it's not always possible to find good subs in the first place

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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post #52

There's an art to subtitling that goes beyond mere speech-to-text processing. Sometimes it's better to paraphrase dialog to reduce the amount of text that needs to be read. Sometimes you need to name a voice as unknown, to avoid spoilers. Sometimes the positioning on the screen matters. I hope the model can be made to understand all this.

> better to paraphrase dialog to reduce the amount of text that needs to be read.

That's just bad destructive art, especially for a foreign language that you partially know.

> Sometimes you need to name a voice as unknown, to avoid spoilers.

Don't name any, that's what your own eye-ear voice recognition/matching and positioning are for (also reduces the amount of text)

> Sometimes the positioning on the screen matters.

This is rather valuable art indeed! Though unlikely fit to be modelled well

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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post #52

There's an art to subtitling that goes beyond mere speech-to-text processing. Sometimes it's better to paraphrase dialog to reduce the amount of text that needs to be read. Sometimes you need to name a voice as unknown, to avoid spoilers. Sometimes the positioning on the screen matters. I hope the model can be made to understand all this.

> Sometimes it's better to paraphrase dialog to reduce the amount of text that needs to be read

Please no. Some subtitle companies do think like this, and it's really weird, like when they try to "convert" cultural jokes, and then add in a bunch of more assumptions regarding what cultures you're aware of depending on the subtitle language, making it even harder to understand...

Just because I want my subtitles in English, doesn't mean I want all typical discussed Spanish food names to be replaced by "kind of the same" British names, yet something like that is something I've come across before. Horrible.

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

#69

I recently used some subtitles that I later found out had been AI generated. The experience wasn't really good to be honest - the text was technically correct but the way multiline phrases were split made them somehow extremely hard to parse. The only reason I learned AI was involved is that it was bad enough for me to stop viewing and check what was wrong. Hopefully it's an implementation detail and we'll see better…

I had exactly the same experience. Human expertise in subtitle makes the experience really better

If you have the luxury of requiring subtitles in English, sure. There's a huge scene of people making them and high quality subtitles available for pretty much everything. If you need subs in another language though your experience might change dramatically. Especially for any media that is old or less popular, in which case your options are probably either really bad subs, out of sync subs, or most likely, none whatsoever.

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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post #63
post #47

Very excited for this, but a waste of energy if everyone is needing to process their video in real time.

What is the alternative? The results could be cached, but it's probably unlikely that they would need to be used again later, as I imagine most videos are watched only once. Another option would be to upload the generated subtitles to some service or p2p, but I believe that would also problem (e.g. privacy, who runs the service, firewalls for p2p, etc).

OpenSubtitles as a cache, maybe? (With their collaboration, of course.)
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