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Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, I understand some of the criticism now. 1.) She cut funding to the fire department budget by millions of dollars. 2.) There is a video floating around where she is totally unresponsive to questions.

She cut some 2% of the LA fire department budget, 17M out of 837M. The outrage is politically fueled more than any rationale reasoning.

Is that reduction absolute or real terms? If it's absolute then that's a pretty large reduction considering inflation

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To me it's the part where prison is apparently even worse than risking your life fighting fires for free. Makes perfect sense to me, even if the prison was a five-star hotel. The human mind is hard-wired to want to explore and get out . Universally, one of the most difficult parts of being in prison is being forced to stay within the prison walls. The fact that these walls exist is a necessary compromise between ke…

> The human mind is hard-wired to want to explore and get out. We also have a self preservation instinct.

True, but it doesn't trigger when you hear about the fire in the abstract. It triggers only once you are face-to-face with the smoke and wall of fire.

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

#463
This is probably a naive question because I am not local, but how usual are wild fires during the winter?

There seems to be snow large parts of the US and freezing temperatures. In LA it is currently 8°C (46°F), which is not freezing, but also not hot.

Does this suggest even bigger fires are to be expected in the summer this year when it is actually hot?

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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There's a lot of fingerpointing but as Daniel Swain put it: 1. This was completely expected and forecasted both short and long term by regional climate and weather experts. Two very wet winters caused fuel buildup followed by an extremely hot and dry year. 2. There is very little that can be done in these situations. 100 mph gusts of embers can't be fought with hoses and air attack isn't possible in high winds. 3. Ha…

> There is very little that can be done in these situations. Ah yes, same response to school shootings; "No way to solve this, says the only country where this happens every year". There's nothing that special about California that makes it different from many other places around the world with densely populated forested areas that do not get insane wildfires almost every single year .

Australia is now in this situation as well, and we've seen it in Spain. It's just that LA gets way better global news coverage.

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's always a slight chance of arsonists. Every few years in Australia we get a story of arsonists setting fires. Sometimes they're firefighters, too.

> There's always a slight chance of arsonists. Actually, that was my first natural reaction. (Though I do live in the neighborhood of Russia, here probability of foul play is much higher up the list) > Sometimes they're firefighters, too. That is messed up.

From "The Milagro Beanfield War", https://archive.org/details/milagrobeanfield0000nich_o3a0/pa...

> With that, Shorty said, “Say, Ladd, why don’t you have Floyd and Carl here set a forest fire?”

> “Hey, just a minute!” Carl Abeyta stiffened self-righteously and stifled an urge to lunge across the room at Shorty. “What the fuck are you talking about?”

> “Setting a fire,” Shorty said calmly. “Christ, that’s one of the few ways those men down there have earned a living around here. I know of a dozen guys from town, the past twenty years, who've gone up and set the trees on fire. For crissakes, man, it’s—what is the pay now? Two-fifty an hour around the clock? Three dollars? And the Forest Service—God bless Smokey the Bear!—packs in potatoes and all the fresh-killed beef you can eat. You want to get this town’s mind off that beanfield, light the forest and hire all the heavies to put it out. And keep lighting little fires here and there—”

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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There's a lot of fingerpointing but as Daniel Swain put it: 1. This was completely expected and forecasted both short and long term by regional climate and weather experts. Two very wet winters caused fuel buildup followed by an extremely hot and dry year. 2. There is very little that can be done in these situations. 100 mph gusts of embers can't be fought with hoses and air attack isn't possible in high winds. 3. Ha…

In the old days, where I live (and I'm guessing most of Mediterranean Europe) we had goats. It was a superb utilization of resources really, goats eat almost any vegetation - even hard bramble - so the shepherds would take them to the forest, and they would eat the vegetation buildup that serves as the fuel for these fires. That would be a win-win situation for everyone. We would get goat meat/milk for free (minus th…

Why didn't this happen in this region (over the last half a millennium) ?

No goat equivalent in the Americas ?

Population density too low ?

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

#467

This is probably a naive question because I am not local, but how usual are wild fires during the winter? There seems to be snow large parts of the US and freezing temperatures. In LA it is currently 8°C (46°F), which is not freezing, but also not hot. Does this suggest even bigger fires are to be expected in the summer this year when it is actually hot?

Grew up in LA. I don't recall wildfires in the winter, generally. There were Santa Ana Winds this past week though, and I'm pretty sure that's the cause. In the mountains near me, wind speeds were said to be 80-100 mph. They were probably lower where I am, but my neighbor's backyard canopy blew over the wall to my backyard. I helped them hoist it back over the wall today and we estimated it was about 100 lbs.

These are gusty and dry winds coming from the desert, so I assume these fires spread from some manmade source.

> Does this suggest even bigger fires are to be expected in the summer this year when it is actually hot?

I would assume so, yes. Some insurers have been pulling out of CA in 2024.

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

#468

There's a lot of fingerpointing but as Daniel Swain put it: 1. This was completely expected and forecasted both short and long term by regional climate and weather experts. Two very wet winters caused fuel buildup followed by an extremely hot and dry year. 2. There is very little that can be done in these situations. 100 mph gusts of embers can't be fought with hoses and air attack isn't possible in high winds. 3. Ha…

In the old days, where I live (and I'm guessing most of Mediterranean Europe) we had goats. It was a superb utilization of resources really, goats eat almost any vegetation - even hard bramble - so the shepherds would take them to the forest, and they would eat the vegetation buildup that serves as the fuel for these fires. That would be a win-win situation for everyone. We would get goat meat/milk for free (minus th…

Caltrans uses goats to create fire breaks around highways: https://dot.ca.gov/caltrans-near-me/district-4/d4-popular-li...

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

#469

There's a lot of fingerpointing but as Daniel Swain put it: 1. This was completely expected and forecasted both short and long term by regional climate and weather experts. Two very wet winters caused fuel buildup followed by an extremely hot and dry year. 2. There is very little that can be done in these situations. 100 mph gusts of embers can't be fought with hoses and air attack isn't possible in high winds. 3. Ha…

> There is very little that can be done in these situations. Ah yes, same response to school shootings; "No way to solve this, says the only country where this happens every year". There's nothing that special about California that makes it different from many other places around the world with densely populated forested areas that do not get insane wildfires almost every single year .

There's nothing special indeed : this shrub biome gets devastated by firestorms on a regularish 30 to 150 years clock (looking at the past 520 years), regardless of what humans do (at least so far, uncertainty over the last few decades is of course high).

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

#470
This is sad, devastating, and not surprising. Yet, people voted for policies that will further accelerate climate change and its consequential destructions in the next four years. As someone not living in the US, this is unbelievable to witness. Where did it all go wrong inside of people's heads?
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