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Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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Post by Der_Einzige »

renewiltord wrote: post #89
gnabgib wrote: post #88

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The orca is a mammal[0]. Salmon, while also impressive, are fish. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orca

So are cows and no one ever goes “Aw man, nice wagyu. I hope no one ever slices you up and serves you all fatty on a grill”. That would be weird as fuck. You wouldn’t be welcome at any barbeque.

Besides the obvious "Vegans and Vegetarians", you'll find that an awful lot of folks from India and surrounding regions will not be down with any consumption of cattle what-so-ever.

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Post by bamboozled »

andy_ppp wrote: post #4

Yes, it made me think about animals panicking so much before slaughter that they often have heart attacks. And dairy cows who have their babies slaughtered who cry for weeks. Maybe these are apocryphal stories, but we are very much trained to believe we shouldn’t anthropomorphise animals. I hope that we are able to grow meat in a way without suffering as soon as possible.

In my opinion, this is why hunting is ethically superior. Almost nothing dies peacefully in the wild, it's either massive long term suffering, or being mauled by dogs, bears or big cats, strangled by pythons etc.

A skilled hunter can choose an adult animal without kids and take it fairly humanely.

Sadly, we all have to die somehow.

Hunters and fisherman generally have great respect for nature and the environment, which is important.

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Post by mrtksn »

andy_ppp wrote: post #4

Yes, it made me think about animals panicking so much before slaughter that they often have heart attacks. And dairy cows who have their babies slaughtered who cry for weeks. Maybe these are apocryphal stories, but we are very much trained to believe we shouldn’t anthropomorphise animals. I hope that we are able to grow meat in a way without suffering as soon as possible.

That's why I can't wait for lab grown meat becoming a thing. I love meat and my understanding is that its healthy and necessary product but i also have nothing but respect to vegetarians.

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Post by samuelbalogh »

xp84 wrote: post #20
hombre_fatal wrote: post #9

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> going against every bit of our human evolution

you're saying this typing on a _computer_ - how does that fit into human evolution?

IMO humans evolve in an ethical standpoint as well and tend to want to cause the least amount of suffering possible as we evolve. That is why we have medicine, don't usually own slaves, don't hit children, and don't abuse animals.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

spondylosaurus wrote: post #64
csomar wrote: post #42

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The real crime is that alternatives are expensive due to how our new economy is structured. I personally prefer oatmilk (oatside) to dairy milk. However, it’s too damn expensive that I find myself only drinking it from time to time. Now how is a vegetarian milk more expensive than a full cycle of cow milk (cows are too burdening to maintain) you might ask?!? My guess is that we are seeing something along the lines of…

I don't think non-dairy milks are artificially expensive so much as cow milk is artificially cheap. At least in the US. Federal dairy subsidies and all that.

So still a near perfect metaphor for EV Vs ICE. I actually thought this is what they meant at first.

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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Post by dotancohen »

mulmen wrote: post #116
dotancohen wrote: post #113

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If we're swapping biomes I think that the naked human would starve in the open ocean in three days. If he didn't drown in three hours.

Open ocean sure but I can see orcas from my house. The average person is still going to know to swim to land and forage for food, even if they fail. But orcas won’t have the first idea how to navigate self checkout. Why is the human naked? Does the Orca get pants? What are we talking about?

The Orca gets pants, but as the setting is Walmart his crack must still be visible.

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Post by doublerabbit »

bamboozled wrote: post #19
Daub wrote: post #14

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As someone who has worked on farms i can verify that such things happen. I personally witnessed sheep behaving exactly as decided in The Silence of the Lambs. Our sheep were famously noisy and certainly were used to being moved around in lorries but when the abattoir lorry turned up you could almost smell their fear. I also witnessed a cow storm through four fences in order to be reunited with her calf. The irony: Th…

Why are the cows taken away from the calves, especially dairy cows? Just curious.

Veal.

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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Post by bythreads »

spondylosaurus wrote: post #64
csomar wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real crime is that alternatives are expensive due to how our new economy is structured. I personally prefer oatmilk (oatside) to dairy milk. However, it’s too damn expensive that I find myself only drinking it from time to time. Now how is a vegetarian milk more expensive than a full cycle of cow milk (cows are too burdening to maintain) you might ask?!? My guess is that we are seeing something along the lines of…

I don't think non-dairy milks are artificially expensive so much as cow milk is artificially cheap. At least in the US. Federal dairy subsidies and all that.

Milk is a byproduct of producing meat, and its a fallacy to see it in isolation.

Plantmilks are firstorder product.

This means that clinate impact of most plantmilks are higher than milks, excepting oat and ryemilk.

On a cost note - : making oat milk is literally just blending some oats and let them soak a day or 2, filter the water and done, perhaps do that if cost is an issue?

On a sidenote, if you drink soy, almond or worse ricemilk you're actually doing something worse for the climate/environment

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Post by ornornor »

bamboozled wrote: post #19
Daub wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has worked on farms i can verify that such things happen. I personally witnessed sheep behaving exactly as decided in The Silence of the Lambs. Our sheep were famously noisy and certainly were used to being moved around in lorries but when the abattoir lorry turned up you could almost smell their fear. I also witnessed a cow storm through four fences in order to be reunited with her calf. The irony: Th…

Why are the cows taken away from the calves, especially dairy cows? Just curious.

That’s how we get all their milk, how we get meat (the calf isn’t kept around for more than a few weeks/months), and rennet to make cheese (it’s the digestion liquid that’s in their stomach while they eat milk, must kill the animal to extract it)

Same with eggs, they don’t exist in a vacuum. To get eggs you have to have chickens, and to have chickens you must grind male chicks alive as they hatch because they don’t produce eggs. And hens aren’t supposed make eggs year round but we make them anyway with artificial lights etc, which drastically shortens their lifespan.

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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Post by ornornor »

bamboozled wrote: post #119
aziaziazi wrote: post #99

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One way to reduce that practice is to simply reduce one consumption of meat/milk, no need to be fully gandhi to improve some cow’s life. You anyway can’t save the world alone. There’s a ton of mushrooms and fabaceae, very cheap nutritious and as much delicious if you learn to cook them well (like meat). My favorite is Tempeh which combine both! And quite cheap if you make it yourself. http://tempeh.info/

I like the stuff, but interestingly, I found it easiest to buy in Indonesia, Australia and the USA. Outside of that, it's hard to get or very expensive.

You can make your own! It’s deleicious and very cheap if you make it yourself.
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