Live data from Hacker News

Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

salesforceben.com

61–70 of 409 posts

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

#61
post #18

Part of their sales drive. We are absolutely assaulted by their sales reps trying to sell agentforce. They wine and dine non-technical executives and push the "ai agents will do everything" story. He is just reinforcing this narrative. Nothing to see here.

nice, strategic reduction in workforce growth that accomplishes a similar outcome to a layoff: controlling headcount to optimize margins and account for market conditions, disguised as sales and marketing. A++

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

#62

Let's say coding is actually 50% of your job (for almost no engineers is it). If AI makes you 30% more efficient at coding (it might if you went from having literally 0 code completion or any form of AI to state of the art, not many people are doing that): * 1 engineer = 50% feature dev (1x), 50% other * 1 engineer with AI = 50% feature dev (1.15x), 50% other So engineers are theoretically getting 15% more done. If y…

FWIW various studies find that software engineers spend about 25% of their time coding on average.

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

#63

If I were on the Salesforce BoD I wouldn't be impressed. Let's see Benioff put his money where his mouth is, replace some C-suite seats with AI agents. Those are the really expensive salaries, and if AI is as smart as he claims it's downright reckless and negligent not to do this.

That is a point that seems to get lost in the hype (or fear) of AI replacing software engineers.

If we take at face value that AI can “replace” a software engineer, it can most certainly replace most of the managers and executives above that role.

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

#65

I was at Salesforce for 4 years, and during those years the company made a massive deal about: 2020: the first AI craze, introducing “Einstein” as their name for their analytics platform, and officially changing the corporate vision to being the “No. 1 AI CRM company”. 2021: Now it’s all about “Customer 360”, i.e. account-based marketing, i.e. what basically everyone else does without such a memeable name. You wouldn…

Yeah. I got the evil eye when I told my company Genie aka Data Cloud is nothing more than a ETL and data warehouse for the different SF clouds. The SF director at my company went on a rant on how stupid I was. It was a déjà vu moment for me. I had SF and Microsoft account reps go ballistic when I informed my bosses of my opinion of their shitty products.

https://help.salesforce.com/s/articleView?id=sf.c360_a_data_...

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am yet to have Google, Microsoft, Amazon or Facebook suggest that they’ve achieved 30% productivity gains from AI. Those are companies at the forefront of AI investment and if they haven’t achieved that kind of increased engineering productivity, I am ready to bet money on the fact that any other company claiming so hasn’t either. Even if 30% productivity gains are true, they are probably not because of AI. They co…

It depends on vertical. Large corps likely have some huge codebases of overengineered spagetti code, which are hardly comprehendable by LLMs. But if you want to build for example some new/smaller web/mobile apps talking to various API, LLM can boost your productivity significantly, because it will easily generate ready to use code snippets.

But, we are talking about Salesforce.

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

#67
post #58

I was at Salesforce for 4 years, and during those years the company made a massive deal about: 2020: the first AI craze, introducing “Einstein” as their name for their analytics platform, and officially changing the corporate vision to being the “No. 1 AI CRM company”. 2021: Now it’s all about “Customer 360”, i.e. account-based marketing, i.e. what basically everyone else does without such a memeable name. You wouldn…

Let's not forget pre-2020 when the company released "Salesforce Blockchain", "NFT Cloud" and "Salesforce Web3 Platform". This is how they operate. Just one marketing hype moment after another. The actual product doesn't really matter (and in a lot of cases doesn't even launch). They just need to keep making pretty slide decks filled with meaningless buzzwords so their customers get distracted from the fact that they…

That's why the Irish pronounce it "Salesfarce"

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

#68
post #58

I was at Salesforce for 4 years, and during those years the company made a massive deal about: 2020: the first AI craze, introducing “Einstein” as their name for their analytics platform, and officially changing the corporate vision to being the “No. 1 AI CRM company”. 2021: Now it’s all about “Customer 360”, i.e. account-based marketing, i.e. what basically everyone else does without such a memeable name. You wouldn…

Let's not forget pre-2020 when the company released "Salesforce Blockchain", "NFT Cloud" and "Salesforce Web3 Platform". This is how they operate. Just one marketing hype moment after another. The actual product doesn't really matter (and in a lot of cases doesn't even launch). They just need to keep making pretty slide decks filled with meaningless buzzwords so their customers get distracted from the fact that they…

Salesmen selling to other salesmen.

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

#69

Let's say coding is actually 50% of your job (for almost no engineers is it). If AI makes you 30% more efficient at coding (it might if you went from having literally 0 code completion or any form of AI to state of the art, not many people are doing that): * 1 engineer = 50% feature dev (1x), 50% other * 1 engineer with AI = 50% feature dev (1.15x), 50% other So engineers are theoretically getting 15% more done. If y…

This kind of math is nonsense, even as a back-of-the-napkin exercise.

Engineers productivity is not linear, both over time and team size. In fact there may be productivity improvements just be freezing hiring as adding too many people becomes net negative if the architecture and domain complexity does not support. Also, writing code is not the bottleneck on value, it's making the correct changes that adds value. While AI can accelerate simple and repetitive code production, this could easily add more technical debt and be net-negative producing over time if engineers aren't thinking about the big picture. On the other hand AI could add a lot of value not directly related to coding as it can process and "understand" more breadth of information (including code) that can magnify engineers productivity if used thoughtfully, but that may have no direct relationship to coding per se.

Re: Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, says Marc Benioff

#70

I was at Salesforce for 4 years, and during those years the company made a massive deal about: 2020: the first AI craze, introducing “Einstein” as their name for their analytics platform, and officially changing the corporate vision to being the “No. 1 AI CRM company”. 2021: Now it’s all about “Customer 360”, i.e. account-based marketing, i.e. what basically everyone else does without such a memeable name. You wouldn…

"Einstein" references are always incredibly ironic considering how much of a socialist the guy was.
Post reply on HN