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Re: Learning Synths

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That's a neat browser permission prompt asking about MIDI, haven't seen that one before edit: side note making sound is one thing, making something actually worth listening to...

MIDI support in browsers has gotta be like at least a decade old at this point, right?

Re: Learning Synths

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Not this one. It would be like finger painting, except you have to wear mittens.

It's not that bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbRXKVcQ8EA

It's pretty bad... This person's obviously talented, but their playing is riddled with mistakes and timing issues. That's not an issue with their playing, it's the constraints of the medium. For example, `[etuG]` is a chord from the video that's impossible to play as it requires a modifier key for 1 of the 4 notes. Plus, the use of modifier keys and the number row for low notes means that the experience no longer maps nicely to a piano. It's effectively learning a bespoke instrument.

This isn't necessarily a problem. As you say, constraints can breed creativity. A good musician should still be able to play great music, but for somebody just learning it's a lot of unnecessary friction.

Re: Learning Synths

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I disagree... those "tedious fundamentals" is how all synths work, irregardless of synthesis type. Watch the video. It's 15 minutes. I wish I could learn assembly in 15 minutes! You build the synth one module and one connection at a time all connected to an oscilloscope. If I gave someone a SH-101 with no context, and let them noodle around with it and then asked them, to explain the architecture, they wouldn't be ab…

While I agree that basically all subtractive synthesizers work the same way I started "learning" how they work when I was ~12. It wasn't until my mid 30s until I got into modular and I realized "hey all my synths are basically routed this way, neat." Has it changed the way I think about how I make a patch? Not at all. It is cool to know how they're architected but it in no way will really help you in learning how to…

The original post is about synthesis and learning about synthesis. Not music theory or how to program an acid patch. Those are separate skills.

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Delays aren’t filters.

That's not exactly true. In digital signal processing, delays and filters are effectively one in the same. This is because you implement digital filters using digital delays. For example, the simplest low-pass filter is just a summation of the current and previous sample: y(n) = x(n) + x(n-1).

“Filters are delays” doesn’t imply “delays are filters”. In particular, the type of effect known as a delay (e.g. a delay guitar pedal) isn’t a filter, certainly not in the musical sense, which is the relevant sense here.

Re: Learning Synths

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I like synths with movements instead of keys a lot better. They give me that old sci-fi vibe. It's something that should be nice with the Quest VR handtracking. (but no, really not like this; https://www.meta.com/en-gb/experiences/synthvr/3748465338566... ; then I would just get a real synth)

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Good lord what a horrible recommendation. This is like telling someone to learn programming by starting with assembly. If you want to actually learn subtractive synthesis minus the complexity use an all in one synth VST like Surge which is free and open source and you won't have to worry about tedious fundamentals that don't actually matter unless you're doing modular synthesis. Helm is another great VST. Once you un…

I disagree... those "tedious fundamentals" is how all synths work, irregardless of synthesis type. Watch the video. It's 15 minutes. I wish I could learn assembly in 15 minutes! You build the synth one module and one connection at a time all connected to an oscilloscope. If I gave someone a SH-101 with no context, and let them noodle around with it and then asked them, to explain the architecture, they wouldn't be ab…

> You build the synth one module and one connection at a time all connected to an oscilloscope.

making my music hobby feel like my job sounds terrible lol

Re: Learning Synths

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I disagree... those "tedious fundamentals" is how all synths work, irregardless of synthesis type. Watch the video. It's 15 minutes. I wish I could learn assembly in 15 minutes! You build the synth one module and one connection at a time all connected to an oscilloscope. If I gave someone a SH-101 with no context, and let them noodle around with it and then asked them, to explain the architecture, they wouldn't be ab…

It's not how all synths work, probably the most famous FM synth the DX-7 never had a filter, additive synths don't really need filters either, but for a subtractive synth this would be unthinkable. And the general architecture of any synth is usually not that hard, you have a source, possibly filters, an amp and some modulators.

My friend, with the app above you can take 6 VCOs, have them modulate each other and understand how the FM(phase) synthesis on a DX7 works. Instead of guessing. Explore why certain ratios produce bell like tones etc.

One of may favorite digital synths is the TX-81z. 4op FM. One of the first digital synths where the operators weren’t restricted to sine waves. (DX7 had 6op FM)

If you just look at the specs. And even play with the values you won’t understand why one synth could obtain sounds the other couldn’t.

That “source” is usually the synthesis method.(usually the complicated part outside of anything that’s not a traditional VCO)

If you have a filter, the resonance imparts a particular sound as well.

Digitone is 4op fm as the source then that’s funneled through a pretty standard east coast architecture.

Re: Learning Synths

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I disagree... those "tedious fundamentals" is how all synths work, irregardless of synthesis type. Watch the video. It's 15 minutes. I wish I could learn assembly in 15 minutes! You build the synth one module and one connection at a time all connected to an oscilloscope. If I gave someone a SH-101 with no context, and let them noodle around with it and then asked them, to explain the architecture, they wouldn't be ab…

> You build the synth one module and one connection at a time all connected to an oscilloscope. making my music hobby feel like my job sounds terrible lol

I’m sorry :( I get it. It’s how I feel about DAWs.

Re: Learning Synths

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That's a neat browser permission prompt asking about MIDI, haven't seen that one before edit: side note making sound is one thing, making something actually worth listening to...

MIDI support in browsers has gotta be like at least a decade old at this point, right?

I guess so I never got into making music, heard of the term but yeah cool to see.

Re: Learning Synths

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If you want to understand (Subtractive) synthesis. The best way is to get copy of VCV rack and follow a few tutorials. If you patch one subtractive mono synth voice once, you understand 80% of all subtractive synth architecture moving forward. https://vcvrack.com (open source and wonderful) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V35OhojjqDs Happy patching :) There's a bunch of other really interesting types of synthesis and…

I have never in 30 years of synths read subtractive synthesis called Eastcoast or waveshaping called Westcoast.

Especially to put what it is actually called in parenthesis as if everyone calls subtractive synthesis "Eastcoast".

This is certainly something very specific to the path you took with synths.

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