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Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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I agree, but for the record, if Google wanted to sue, they wouldn’t be completely out of luck. They could make claims under the Lanham Act §1125(a), state unfair competition laws, or other fraud-adjacent laws. But they would have to prove that Microsoft was deceiving customers, and it would be a lot harder without an actual case of trademark infringement. They could also try to claim trademark infringement based on t…

Microsoft has been breaking the law for years and was found guilty of antitrust violations, among others. Bill Gates, the friendly philanthropist, was/is a business criminal. His company hasn't changed. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/microsoft-agrees-pay-20-milli... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_C... . They waged a war of "FUD" against open-source software. https://lxer.com/module/newswir…

Technically "Microsoft to pay $20 million in civil penalties" doesn't actually make the CEO a criminal in the legal sense.

Not saying he's a saint who's never done anything wrong but who is?

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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I will help determine if you're cheap. How much money have you saved/made through the rewards points stuff?

Far less than the time saved had they received Google's results instead of Bing's inferior ones.

Bing results are inferior, but Google sure as hell isn't superior.

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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post #82

Disclaimer - I used to work on Bing like... 8 years ago. There's probably some debate around whether this is nefarious or genius, but I'd lead towards the later. "google" has always been one of the number one search terms, and the amount of people who would open chrome, search for google in the address bar, then open google in the google search results, then do their search, was wild. There's a very large percentage…

Disclamer - I owned a restaurant that gave Pepsi products to customers who explicitly ask for a Coke. There's probably some debate about whether this is nefarious or genius, but I lean towards the later. "Coke" has always been the number one request from our patrons, and the amount of people who just wanted any soda but said "coke" was wild. there's a very large percentage of poorly palated patrons who aren't looking…

I don't care either way. Brands don't exist, grow up.

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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"i'm appalled that i ended up searching google on bing when i honestly believed i was searching google on google" - no one ever

??? They aren't searching google on bing, they are issuing bing searches on a search bar designed to spoof google's and fool them.

...which appears after you search for "google" on Bing.

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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post #60

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Honestly, this is what I want bing's 'homepage' to look like and I usually configure it to be as close to that as I can. The default was/is a ton of news and other junk. I just want a search bar and maybe an identifier picture. It was one of the things I liked when google first came out. It was 'simple' as many of the other search engines from years ago had tons of 'helpful' things on the front page that I just did n…

I always find it embarrassing when a colleague opens up a new tab while screen sharing and Bing / Edge starts spamming trashy news. Given Microsoft is “soo enterprise” it’s always a source of amazement that Microsoft feel it’s acceptable to default to this kind of spammy behaviour. It just goes to show how running businesses by engagement scores really is just a race to the bottom.

> starts spamming trashy news. Think I am on my 4th or 5th time going into the settings to turn it off too.

I think google may be starting to do something similar too. I think I got caught in an A/B test a week or so ago. Little bits of news popping on the landing page. Off to the settings to turn that off. Which then somehow messed up the settings on my phone as well.

Computers doing 'surprising things' makes users angry and feel like they do not have control.

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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post #213

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Disclamer - I owned a restaurant that gave Pepsi products to customers who explicitly ask for a Coke. There's probably some debate about whether this is nefarious or genius, but I lean towards the later. "Coke" has always been the number one request from our patrons, and the amount of people who just wanted any soda but said "coke" was wild. there's a very large percentage of poorly palated patrons who aren't looking…

I don't care either way. Brands don't exist, grow up.

Sorry to break it to you, but yes they do.

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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If you use a search engine, you need an Ad Blocker. Not because "privacy:", not because "tracking", but because malicious ads exist, and you'll click on one eventually. This is even more true for less technical family members.

You've completely overlooked the possibility of a search engine without ads. That's what I use.

If your search engine doesn't have ads that only means the adblocker has nothing to do except use some cpu cycles.

Those cycles are mostly earned back when you visit a link with ads (unless the search results are limited to ad free sites). So, it's still a net positive to have an ad-blocker.

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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post #91

This is partly preying on the fact googles 'doodles' weaken their brand/trademark. Back when every google doodle clearly had the word "Google" in, that was okay. But often now, the doodles are just some random picture. At that point, there is no brand recognition to their homepage beyond a blank white background and centered search box, which microsoft has copied here because those elements alone are not enough to fo…

I agree, but for the record, if Google wanted to sue, they wouldn’t be completely out of luck. They could make claims under the Lanham Act §1125(a), state unfair competition laws, or other fraud-adjacent laws. But they would have to prove that Microsoft was deceiving customers, and it would be a lot harder without an actual case of trademark infringement. They could also try to claim trademark infringement based on t…

IANAL as well. but I have to say, if typing into typing Google into the Bing search and getting a page that looks almost exactly like Google can't be proven as intent to deceive, then the law is broken.

I can't imagine anything clearer to prove intent than a user requesting that they want to go to Google to Bing, Bing responds to that request by showing them a page that looks like Google's. That is so clear. Is that really not able to be proven in court?

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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Interestingly that doesn't work on Brave Windows (Chromium) but works on Chrome Windows. I wonder if Brave is specifically deleting this element.

Interesting. uBlock Origin is hiding the element. At first I wasn't able to see the search box, but I can see it if I toggle cosmetic filtering. Looks like it's targeting #b_pole ("Promoted by Microsoft")

Good catch. I use Brave daily so I don't have any extensions on my Chrome install. I am using UBlock with Brave.

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post #121

Fun fact: Microsoft Ads (the place you go to buy ads on Bing) is essentially a carbon copy of Google Ads in every way imaginable. The UI is, quite literally, exactly the same. The names of the features are nearly identical. There is very little differentiation, and it's 100% by design - doing this makes it very easy for marketing people to switch between ad platforms without needing to learn a completely new interfac…

Adversarial compatability is not a reason to mock a competitor to an entrenched monopoly.

I have no love for Microsoft, but the idea that a locked in monopoly, responsible for tainting or outright destroying huge swaths of the internet, is a "success"...

Not gonna lie though. Making a fake page that looks like a competitor to show people after they ask you to give them their competitors site is very mockable.

I see the similarities between these situations, but the difference is deception, Not that it's "copying".

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