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i build and repair audio electronics and the tl071 is used in abundance in audio circuits and is a bad choice imho. But good opamps for audio are at least a few dollars
I have an M-Audio Delta Audiophile 2496 PCI sound card somewhere. The circuit board has an 8-pin socket with a replaceable op-amp. Why does a stereo sound card have only a single operational amplifier? This sound card already sounds very nice, but what kind of op-amp would I replace it with if I wanted to upgrade it?
Choosing an op-amp for your project
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#82I found this post extremely interesting and informative, well above my expectations even given the eminence of its author. I'm not sure that everything in it is covered in The Art of Electronics — it's the kind of stuff the book covers, but I learned things from this post I didn't learn from the book. (But possibly it's information that's in the book that I just failed to absorb the last few times.) I was recently lo…
Nowadays, it is hard to recommend a general-purpose opamp. Just plug the desired parameters into the search function and sort what's left by price. (Distributors like DigiKey and Mouser have somewhat adequate search functions; I usually have to go to manufacturers' web sites like https://www.ti.com/amplifier-circuit/op-amps/general-purpose... to be able to filter by all important parameters. I'm mentioning TI because…
fwiw I searched and found "A newer version of this product is available Same functionality with different pin-out to the compared device LM27761"
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
It and the LME49720 (same part) were discontinued a couple years ago along with the entire LME Overture series.
You sure about the LM4562? I've just checked at TME, Mouser and Digikey, and all of them have many in stock. I's also marked as "nopb" so it could likely be a newer lead free version.
https://e2e.ti.com/support/audio-group/audio/f/audio-forum/4... (this list only contains the op-amps, not stuff like the also-discontinued LME49810)
Re: Choosing an op-amp for your project
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
i build and repair audio electronics and the tl071 is used in abundance in audio circuits and is a bad choice imho. But good opamps for audio are at least a few dollars
I have an M-Audio Delta Audiophile 2496 PCI sound card somewhere. The circuit board has an 8-pin socket with a replaceable op-amp. Why does a stereo sound card have only a single operational amplifier? This sound card already sounds very nice, but what kind of op-amp would I replace it with if I wanted to upgrade it?
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Oh, sure. You could totally build a chopper op-amp out of two discrete op-amps. I'd never thought about actually doing that...
Of course National Semiconductor had a chip for this, the LMC669 Auto-Zero. https://www.electronicsurplus.com/national-semiconductor-cor...
But the potential advantage that building a chopper (or auto-zero) out of ordinary opamps would be that you don't need to source, order, and await specialized chips. A long-discontinued bolt-on auto-zero for a regular opamp has almost all the disadvantages of just buying an auto-zero opamp.
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If the op-amp has a stable Vos I feel like maybe you could zero it by hand with a trimpot? You just need a button to short the inputs together while you're trimming it.
This is necessary because Vos is often a voltage dependent inaccuracy. So as your circuit functions it's Vos is changing up and down.
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I think Zalewski's post is aimed at electronics hobbyists rather than high-volume producers or competitors. In that context, an OPA2323 might cost 98.99¢ https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/texas-instruments... vs. 7.958¢ for the TL071 https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/texas-instruments... but the Saturday afternoon you spend building and debugging your circuit costs hundreds of dollars in foregone in…
Quite possibly! I learn new things every day.
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Oh, I see! And you might very plausibly be getting 5 amps at 0.7 volts or something there, if you're controlling a single solar cell? (I might be misunderstanding how they work.) If you're controlling a whole 200-watt panel it's less of an issue because usually they have several cells in series to get a more convenient output voltage. I feel like a car's transmission or a bike derailleur may be a good analogy to expl…
I'll just explain solar cells really quick then. The gist is that solar-cells are nearly constant-voltage, until you draw too much current and then suddenly they drop to useless-levels of voltages. The scary part is that the clouds change this point severely. So a 60W Solar Panel might be 12V 5-Amps in the best case scenario (directly pointed at the sun during clear skies). If you draw 5.1-Amps, suddenly the voltage…
What I meant was that I wasn't confident that I was remembering the open-circuit voltage of a silicon solar cell, and in fact I had it wrong—it's not 0.7 volts, but 0.5 to 0.6 volts. And I couldn't remember if the diode junction was forward-biased or reverse-biased in normal operation. It's reverse-biased—the photocurrent goes the opposite direction from normal diode current. Now that I think about it, maybe that's why shade on one cell knocks out a whole string.
One quibble, though: if you maintain 12 volts in the usual direction across a series of 10 monocrystalline silicon solar cells at night you are just going to lose a subthreshold leakage current through them, because you're forward-biasing the pn junctions in the cells, just not quite by enough to turn them on. They'll emit a little bit of infrared light, a feature used to analyze solar panel failures (so-called "EL testing"). Illuminance at night is at best a million times dimmer than sunlight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(illuminan... and that subthreshold dark current is not going to be a million times lower than your normal current. Even under indoor lighting, which is only about 2000 times dimmer than direct sunlight, monocrystalline silicon PV cells will consume power rather than producing it.
Because of the intermittency you're describing, I suspect that thermal energy storage of various kinds (sensible heat, phase change materials, or especially TCES) is going to be important for the wide adoption of solar power, because according to my notes lead-acid batteries store about 20kJ/US$ and LFP a bit less, while industrial calcium chloride costs about US$300 per tonne (US$272/tonne according to https://derctuo.github.io/notes/desiccant-climate-control.ht...) and can absorb about its own mass of water from the air, liberating the water's enthalpy of vaporization, providing TCES.
I believe the heat thus stored is 408kJ/kg (see linked notes) which works out to 1500kJ/US$ at that price, roughly 1% of the cost of the same energy storage capacity in a battery. And, depending on the desiccant, it's plausible that you could reduce that by another order of magnitude, or two orders of magnitude for industrial installations. You can probably get by with impure calcium chloride or as-mined carnallite, for example.
Re: Choosing an op-amp for your project
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>Nowadays, it is hard to recommend a general-purpose opamp. Just plug the desired parameters into the search function and sort what's left by price. This 100%. If you need a comparator get a comparator not an op amp. Current measuring? There are specialized chips for that as well, etc.
In this strong form, this is excellent advice for someone who is not me and is not doing what I am doing. I live in a third-world country where importing chips from abroad is expensive, unreliable, slow, and sometimes dangerous. There are circuits I cannot build because I cannot get the very specialized parts they need. Obviously a linear power supply that can measure how much current it's supplying is not such a cir…
For someone working on the systems interactions, the failure point is making sure all the bits of the project are working together.
For someone working on optics, the failure point is finding cost-effective optics -- if you can't do that, then the project isn't going to go forward.
For the hobbyist? The failure point is getting the project done. Every other concern takes a back seat to this!
From my vantage point as someone living in America, however, I'm probably in a similar boat to you, because of my inexperience in electronics. If I want to take a deep dive into the subject, I'd be much better off getting a lot of generic cheap parts I can accidentally burn through, but would give me 90% of what I need, and I can worry about whether or not I need something highly specialized later, as my projects -- and my knowledge and skills! -- mature.
Re: Choosing an op-amp for your project
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
In this strong form, this is excellent advice for someone who is not me and is not doing what I am doing. I live in a third-world country where importing chips from abroad is expensive, unreliable, slow, and sometimes dangerous. There are circuits I cannot build because I cannot get the very specialized parts they need. Obviously a linear power supply that can measure how much current it's supplying is not such a cir…
This comment reminds me of a video I saw recently (not sure if I could find it) where someone broke down failure points for projects based on different aspects of engineering, using "designing a drone" as the example project. For someone working on the systems interactions, the failure point is making sure all the bits of the project are working together. For someone working on optics, the failure point is finding co…
By the way, I'm living in America, too.