Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

about.fb.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

821–830 of 1001 posts

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#821

Post by energy123 »

ethbr1 wrote: post #250
tptacek wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get how the partisan story is easy to tell here, but I'm saying something pretty specific: I think it would have been product development malpractice for this decision not to have been in the works for many, many months, long before the GOP takeover of the federal government was a safe bet. Community Notes has been that successful, and Facebook's fact-checkers have been that much of a product disaster. I've never s…

I expect it was an easy bone to throw the incoming administration, which the tech world learned from v1 is placatable by giving them PR / sound bite wins. To the broader concern, this feels like Facebook making their original sin again. Namely defunding and destroying revenue for a task that takes money (fact checking) and then expecting a free, community-driven approach to replace it. Turns out, hot takes for clicks…

Obeying in advance, especially the Dana White appointment. Not that this move to community notes wasn't also a good product decision.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#822

Post by miramba »

mrguyorama wrote: post #641
miramba wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every single one of your points is not boolean and depends on the definition and the data you include and exclude. For each you could easily find studies and statistics in either direction. The fact that this is apparently not obvious to you proves the point that all fact-checking is inherently biased and depends on the subjective opinions of the checking person.

People who study statistics are pretty good at saying "look, that data set was probably gamed, I would have done it ", or "that conclusion does not follow from the data presented". It's no different to someone claiming on twitter that they are a great programmer who can fix twitter's search in a weekend who then has to tweet for suggestions on how to write a search feature in javascript. People familiar with the subj…

Not sure what you are trying to say - my point was that ie the question "is crime up or down" is not a yes/no answer. Depending on the input, you can easily create a statistic pointing in any direction. I think abtinf elaborated better on that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42628198 My personal highpoint in using statistical methods was probably implementing an analysis of variance for thousands of lab values (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_of_variance).

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#823

Post by froh »

ben_w wrote: post #399
iandanforth wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Button?

The word "knob" would also translate as "Knopf" in the sense of button, while also having a euphemistic meaning of "penis".

German native speaker here.

in no region or context does Knopf mean anything offensive, especially not "penis".

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#824

Post by tayo42 »

stronglikedan wrote: post #309
tshaddox wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because the word for delay in French is offensive in English It's also the word for delay in English.

It's also not offensive in English, even though some virtue signalers insist on taking offense to it.

dang, can i can him a retard and not get flagged or banned? hah

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#826

Post by curtisblaine »

toss1 wrote: post #611
tptacek wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get how the partisan story is easy to tell here, but I'm saying something pretty specific: I think it would have been product development malpractice for this decision not to have been in the works for many, many months, long before the GOP takeover of the federal government was a safe bet. Community Notes has been that successful, and Facebook's fact-checkers have been that much of a product disaster. I've never s…

If it was in the works for a long time, then Zuckerberg has been planning to bend the knee to Trump for a long time. Today, Trump in press conference (video at [0]: Q: "Do you think Zuckerberg is responding to the threats you've made to him in the past?" TRUMP: "Probably. Yeah. Probably." This tells us all we need to know. It has nothing to do with facts and everything to do with yielding to political pressure to ben…

Autocracts doesn't get democratically elected, as far as I understand. Trump is a democratically elected leader who will end his term at most in 2028. Autocracts tend to not be democratically elected (or to change the rules once they're elected to never be deposed). Zuckerberg will bend his knee to the Democrats if they win next term. This is not autocracy, this is just knowing where the wind blows.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#827

Post by zahlman »

intended wrote: post #811
zahlman wrote: post #670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Didnt Musk imply that the ex head of Twitter T&S was a pedophile The exact tweet being - “ looks like Yoel is arguing in favor of children being able to access adult Internet services in his PhD thesis.” Or this one where he accused his disabled employee ? (using community notes to make the point no less) https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1633011448459964417?ref_src=tw...

From the sources I could find quickly to refresh my memory:

> Over the weekend, Musk shared some of Roth’s past tweets and what appears to be an excerpt from his PhD thesis about Grindr, the LGBTQ social media app. Roth is quoted as saying that the app is possibly too “lewd or hook-up-oriented” for people under age 18 who are already using it, but that providers should “focus on creating safe strategies … for queer young adults” that aren’t just about hook-ups. Musk commented, “Looks like Yoel is arguing in favor of children being able to use adult services in his PhD thesis.” On Monday, the tweet had more than 60,000 likes and received 15,000 retweets.

The thesis demonstrably exists (https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/60981d118b006454de9222b2/61d...), and it does have a roughly matching quote at the bottom of PDF page 257 (labelled page 248). The idea of businesses "crafting safe strategies" to "safely connect queer young adults" (the context is very clear that Roth refers to people under the age of 18) is very reasonably interpreted as Musk did. There are very obvious reasons why existing services advertise themselves as 18+ and attempt to enforce that, and it should be clear to everyone that any such service intended specifically for minors could not plausibly be rendered safe.

The idea that this observation constitutes an accusation of pedophilia is 100% media spin, and does not reflect Musk's words.

Ideas like Roth's are not rare on the American (or Canadian) left, especially where they intersect with LGBT etc. rights - which is how things like https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/episodes/drag-kids can come to exist and be vigorously defended. This empowers quite a bit of culture warring from the American right.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#828

Post by curtisblaine »

pavlov wrote: post #738
davidw wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ideological bits are: * Dana White added to the board. * "Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content." - like people being in Texas makes them more objective?! The actual mechanisms of running a social media network at scale are tricky and I think most of us would…

> “maybe it's just a way of saying that certain kinds of 'content' like attacking trans people is going to be ok now” The new policy explicitly says that allegations of mental illness are not allowed except if the target is gay or trans, so, yeah… https://www.wired.com/story/meta-immigration-gender-policies...

> it allows “allegations of mental illness or abnormality, based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality and common non-serious usage of words like ‘weird.’”

I think you misread that: it allows allegations of mental illness even on the basis of gender and religion, which before weren't allowed. It still allows allegations of mental illness based on other factors, because they were never disallowed in the first place.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#829

Post by disgruntledphd2 »

adolph wrote: post #545
davidw wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ideological bits are: * Dana White added to the board. * "Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content." - like people being in Texas makes them more objective?! The actual mechanisms of running a social media network at scale are tricky and I think most of us would…

> "Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. Prediction: it'll be cali-expats in Austin and nothing changes.

Nah, loads of the current staff will leave, but they'll hire equivalent people in Austin.
Post reply on HN