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Right. And you know what type of government really despises fact checkers? Autocratic / oligarchic governments (Russia, China, etc.)
Sure, and that's the gov't we have now. The previous one was also suppressive but in different ways
Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model
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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model
#752I'd like to hear an informed take from anybody who thinks that Facebook's fact-checkers were a better product feature than Community Notes. All of the articles I'm seeing about this online are ideological, but this feels like the kind of decision that should have been in the works for multiple quarters now, given how effective Notes have been, and how comically ineffective and off-putting fact-checkers have been. The…
The ideological bits are: * Dana White added to the board. * "Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content." - like people being in Texas makes them more objective?! The actual mechanisms of running a social media network at scale are tricky and I think most of us would…
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> America is the most successful country on this earth According to what metrics? life expectancy? crime rate? wealth per inhabitant? education? work life balance? health care? happiness? incarceration rate? human rights? corruption? freedom of press? American tax dollars aren't spent in Europe or elsewhere in the world for some altruistic reason. The US want to maintain their hegemony and prevent other powers from e…
The part of China that is innovative is not communist. They have the most free-market labor market, the most free-market regulations in everything except media (which is heavily controlled by the state). China is the most brutally capitalist society in the world, with a dictator sitting on top managing it at the margins and ensuring media will never be free and threaten the communist party.
Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model
#756What I think I just read is that content moderation is complicated, error-prone, and expensive. So Meta is going to do a lot less of it. They'll let you self-moderate via a new community notes system, similar to what X does. I think this is a big win for Meta, because it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represent…
Community Notes is the best thing about Musk's Dumpster fire. The problem with CN right now, though, is that Musk appears to block it on most of his posts, and/or right-wing moderators downvote the notes so they don't appear or disappear.
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I don’t use either Facebook or X so I have no personal experience. But the New York Times cited this meta-analysis for the proposition that they’re not ineffective: Fact-checker warning labels are effective even for those who distrust fact-checkers https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-024-01973-x They also cited this paper for the proposition that Community Notes doesn’t work well because it takes too long for the…
> Fact-checker warning labels are effective even for those who distrust fact-checkers Yes, but are they true?
Lol sometimes people just have no logic
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Fact checkers are the technocratic solution, they're a panel of experts to Community Note's jury of our peers. Fact checkers are a much better product feature than community notes if we want a feature that best serves people who care about facts. That's not our world, though. People don't care about facts, we are humans, our lives are lived based on vibes. The average person would rather listen to their idiot friend'…
Do you have some kind of analysis demonstrating Facebook fact checkers are more accurate than X’s Community Notes?
If we could have legitimate fact checking that really works, then I guess we wouldn't need any politics at all.
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> And why aren't you considering the countervailing harm to society of centralized moderation? Are there reproducible studies showing that? What is the effect size? (These objections go both ways!)
Right. The challenge for free speech absolutists is to demonstrate that free speech takes priority over moderating hate speech, adult content, highly addictive media etc... . That demonstration needs to evidence-based and framed in terms of short and long term social harms/impact. Simply saying "censorship hasn't gone well for some countries" or "having a free speech zone is extremely important to the future of civil…