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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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>A 3090 is $1000 right now. Not really worth it if you can get a 5090 for $1,999

Saving $1000 for only a ~25-30% hit in rasterization perf is going to be worth it for a lot of people.

The increase from a 3090 to a 5090 would be way more than that.

Certainly worth paying +$1k if you are doing anything that requires GPU power (hash cracking with hashcat for example)

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Yes, actually. A lot of games use water, a lot, in their scenes (70% of the planet is covered in it, after all), and that does improve immersion and feels nice to look at. Silent Hill 2 Remake and Black Myth: Wukong both have a meaningful amount of water in them and are improved visually with raytracing for those exact reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXpoJlB8Zfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyn2NeA6hI0 Can you please point at the mentioned effects here? Immersion in what? Looks like PS4-gen Tomb Raider to me, honestly. All these water reflections existed long before RTX, it didn't introduce reflective surfaces. What it did introduce is dynamic reflections/ambience, which are a very specific thing to be found in the videos above.…

> by not implementing any RTX-off graphics at all.

Just taking this one, you actually make a point about having a raytracing-ready graphics card for me. If all the games are doing the hard and mathematically taxing reflection and light-bouncing work through raytracing now and without even an option for non-raytraced, then raytracing is where we're going and having a good RT card is, now or very soon, a requirement.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Similar CUDA core counts for most SKUs compared to last gen (except in the 5090 vs. 4090 comparison). Similar clock speeds compared to the 40-series. The 5090 just has way more CUDA cores and uses proportionally more power compared to the 4090, when going by CUDA core comparisons and clock speed alone. All of the "massive gains" were comparing DLSS and other optimization strategies to standard hardware rendering. Som…

> All of the "massive gains" were comparing DLSS and other optimization strategies to standard hardware rendering. > Something tells me Nvidia made next to no gains for this generation. Sounds to me like they made "massive gains". In the end, what matters to gamers is 1. Do my games look good? 2. Do my games run well? If I can go from 45 FPS to 120 FPS and the quality is still there, I don't care if it's because of f…

If you're doing frame generation you're getting input lag. Frame generation from low framerates is pretty far from ideal.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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> Increasing performance per watt means that you can get more performance using the same power. I'm currently running a 150 watt GPU, and the 5070 has a 250 TDP. You are correct. I could get a 5070 and down volt it to work in 150ish range e.g. and get almost the same performance (at least not significantly different to notice in game). But I think you're missing the wider point of my complain: it's been from Maxwell…

> But I think you're missing the wider point of my complain: it's been from Maxwell that Nvidia hasn't produced major updates on the power consumption side of their architecture. Is this true or is it just that the default configuration draws a crazy amount of power? I wouldn't imagine running a 5090 downvolted to 75W is useful, but also I would like to see someone test it against an actual 75W card. I've definitely…

I remember various benchmarks in the years since Maxwell, when they took GPUs with comparable number of cuda cores and clocked them the same, the performance were in the delta of error suggesting that (raw) performance wise you're not getting much more since Maxwell (and that was what, 2013?).

I can confirm you that downvolting can get you the same tier of performance (-10%, which by the way is 3 fps when you're making 3 and 10 when you're making 100, negligible) by cutting power consumption by a lot, how much is that a lot depends on the specific gpu. On the 4090 you can get 90% of the performance at half the power draw, lower tier car have smaller gain/benefits ratios.

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I wonder how many generations it will take until Nvidia launches a graphics card that needs 1kW.

I wish mining was still a thing, it was awesome to have free heating in the cold winter.

you can still fold

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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The big grain of salt with that "the 5070 performs like a 4090" is that it is talking about having the card fake in 3 extra frames for each one it properly generates. In terms of actual performance boost a 5070 is about 10% faster than a 4070.

Source for your 10% number?

I think people are speculating based on graphs Nvidia has on their product page.

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The U.S. has been 240V for over a century. It uses split phase which has opposite phases on each hot line to let you take one and connect it to neutral to get 120V. If you connect both hot lines, you get 240V. For some reason, people in Europe and other places are unaware of this despite this having been the case since electrification happened in the early 20th century.

People are aware of this, but the regular sockets are connected to 120V only. You can (easily) hack an electrical circuit ("consumer unit" in UK) to deliver 240V on an existing plug, but that would be a very serious code violation. SO unless you hack your house circuits, you have 120V on regular sockets.

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Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Thanks for sharing your insights, was thinking of upgrading to a 5090 partially to dabble with NNs. > Don’t bother with the founder’s edition. Why?

When I bought mine the FE was $500 more. Only reason to get it is better cooling and size which were not factors for me.

Ah, hadn't been paying that much attention. Thought I had seen them at roughly equal pricing but at $500 extra yeah no thanks.

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> regular consumers will have trouble buying 5090s. They’re not really supposed to either judging by how they priced this. For non AI uses the 5080 is infinitely better positioned

> For non AI uses the 5080 is infinitely better positioned ...and also slower than a 4090. Only the 5090 got a gen/gen upgrade in shader counts. Will have to wait for benchmarks of course, but the rest of the 5xxx lineup looks like a dud

You’re comparing different price classes. New 5080 is 999 usd. Even secondhand 4090s from questionable eBay sellers are substantially more
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