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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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As a product decision, I agree. But I think that can still be addressed separately from the fact that all the tech leaders in Silicon Valley are bending the knee to Trump (e.g. the Mar-a-Lago visits, the "donations" to his inauguration, etc.) I'll give you an example I find analogous. When Bezos forbid the Washington Post from giving a presidential endorsement, he wrote an op-ed, https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio…

As someone active in "resistance"-type organization from 2017-2021, with fundamentally the same politics now as I had then: I think all this "bend the knees" shit is mostly working to the benefit of the GOP, and I wish people would stop it. We lost an election, in part because we bet that the median voter was prepared to disqualify MAGA Republicans. They are not. Find a new angle, so we can win in the midterms. This…

I'm not trying to convince other voters. The "bend the knee" shit is not something I'm saying to try to change opinions. Like you say, clearly the majority of Americans don't care.

But it I'm pretty surprised at the outright transparent speed with which all these business leaders were willing to pay these naked fealty bribes, especially since for so long so many of them talked about these lofty goals besides just making money.

Italians in the 1930s didn't care either when Mussolini made corporations an arm of the state. But that doesn't mean what is happening now is any different.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I can’t help but roll my eyes at mindless euphemisms like “attacking trans people.” There are very serious issues involving trans people with no easy answers. Like allowing minors access to irreversible treatments. Like women’s sports. Like the safety of women only spaces. I bring this up because on so many questions like these, the progressive reaction is to shut down any discussion and isolate themselves from expos…

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The reversibility of puberty blockers is highly disputed.

Whether and under what circumstances trans women have no advantage over cos women is a highly complex question.

We already have men who freely admitted to claiming to be trans solely for the purpose of accessing women’s locker rooms.

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People who are floating using the military to steal territory from a NATO ally, as just one totally random example.

Yeah, I know what the press release said lol. Do you typically take press releases as fact?

Journalist: "Can you assure the world that as you try to get control of [Greenland and Panama], you are not going to use military or economic coercion?"

Extremist: "No. You're talking about Panama and Greenland: No, I can't assure you on either of those two..."

Journalist: "Will you commit that you are not going to use the military?"

Extremist: "No, I'm not going to commit to that."

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Me and my friend share a joke instagram account where we'll randomly make stupid posts just to entertain ourselves. One time he posted a picture of himself holding a chair, standing on one foot with a goofy smile on his face, captioned "I'll hit you with this chair! Just kidding!" It got the account suspended until we deleted the post, claiming the post, and I quote, "could encourage physical violence and lead to a r…

Frankly, if "ban people for joke violence" is the price we have to pay for "ban people for real violence", I'll take it.

But what if banning joke violence increases the chance of real violence?

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Who was checking the fact checkers, when they were wrong quite often?

I've not seen any examples of the "official" fact-checkers being wrong; have you?

It's trivial to find examples. I put "fact checkers were wrong" into DDG and turned up:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/07/five-times-f...

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o95

https://reason.com/2021/12/29/facebook-masks-false-informati...

Even when they aren't wrong, they can be biased. See for example:

https://www.allsides.com/blog/media-bias-alert-politifact-fa...

Also, compare and contrast how they handled Sanders and Trump's presentations of substantially the same claim:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/jul/13/bernie-san...

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/20/donald-tru...

There's an entire site dedicated to pointing out more examples, aptly named https://www.politifactbias.com/ . They show their work in great detail.

It's trivial to introduce bias by simply being selective about who you hold to greater scrutiny (https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demand...).

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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It's been trivially demonstrable that the use of "forbidden" terms or swearing can affect your ranking on their algorithms, whether it be displaying your comment, or your post on someone's feed, etc., at least on Meta's platforms. So no matter how "cringe" you may find it, it's done out of some degree of necessity and precisely because of these dumb moderation mechanisms, not out of any misguided, altruistic self cen…

1) Do you honestly think they would add "fuck" to a blocklist but then turn a blind-eye to "fck"? Basic profanity filters on old forum software were more strict. 2) I find it completely inane that you are willing to self-censor yourself for an algorithm. I guess we no longer need a ministry of truth if the people just produced censored content to begin with, right?

I don't think it's a literal blocklist; it's more an correlation algorithmically determined. If the four-letter word is correlated to hate or violence but the three-letter one is not then ... that's all that matters.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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The problem with "fact-checking" is that if it's done by humans at all then it will be heavily biased. With Silicon-Valley people being in charge of "fact-checking" for the past decade there's been countless examples of them doing mass cancellations calling things lies that we all know ended up being true.

> countless examples of them doing mass cancellations calling things lies that we all know ended up being true really? like what, exactly? please give concrete examples or this is just hot air

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/may/27/facebook-...

"Facebook lifts ban on posts claiming Covid-19 was man-made (2021)"

It is not known to be true of course, but it always obviously a possibility.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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What I think I just read is that content moderation is complicated, error-prone, and expensive. So Meta is going to do a lot less of it. They'll let you self-moderate via a new community notes system, similar to what X does. I think this is a big win for Meta, because it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represent…

> it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represented. To me it sounds better for large actors who pay shills to influence public opinion, like Qatar. I disagree that this is better for either Facebook users, or society as a whole. It does however certainly fit the Golden rule - he with the gold makes the rules.

Qatar is not well known for paying people to bot on social media. They play the RT game by using their news network Al Jazeera to do that instead and give their propaganda a professional air. The first country to do this was India[1]. Israel has special units in the army to do this[2]. At this point so many countries pay people to do what you say, but Qatar doesn't, from what I can tell. If you have proof of it, I'm all ears.

I was cautiously optimistic when this was announced that India and Saudi Arabia (among others, incl. Qatar) might see some pushback on how they clamp down on free speech and journalism on social media. But since Zuck mentioned Europe, I fear those countries will continue as they did before.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJP_IT_Cell

[2] https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Why is it absurd? Journalists don’t think their job is to be neutral. They are among the most biased. They abuse the trust given to them, which is why they don't deserve it. Community notes allows a diversity of opinions to compete, which is a better way to seek truth.

you're confusing fact checking with forum discussions and social media posts

What specifically is the difference? Other than an appeal to authority?

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I'd like to hear an informed take from anybody who thinks that Facebook's fact-checkers were a better product feature than Community Notes. All of the articles I'm seeing about this online are ideological, but this feels like the kind of decision that should have been in the works for multiple quarters now, given how effective Notes have been, and how comically ineffective and off-putting fact-checkers have been. The…

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Facebook lifts ban on posts claiming Covid-19 was man-made (2021)

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/may/27/facebook-...

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