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Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by SoftTalker »

neom wrote: post #46
ElCapitanMarkla wrote: post #25

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We had a family friend who is in her late 50s stay for a couple of days over Christmas, all she drunk was Diet Coke. Even going to bed at night she took a bottle of Diet Coke with her. The thought of waking up through the night for a swig of Coke grosses me out a bit. And yes, she is the absolute picture of health...

eh, Diet Coke is primarily water, aspartame, phosphoric acid and caffeine. I drink 5/6 of them a day (don't like water much). The paper linked actually says short term effects of diet soda are less problematic, but recent evidence suggests that aspartame may have harms on the microbiome and glucose tolerance generally. That said, the idea of drinking anything either sweet or carbonated before bed, during the night, o…

Have you ever tried plain carbonated water? It's more interesting than still water, and for me more thirst quenching. Easy to make at home with a Soda Stream or similar, just don't add any of their syrup.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by Ensorceled »

ricardobeat wrote: post #89
xnx wrote: post #84

There is almost nothing* like sugar drinks in the natural world our bodies evolved in. Sugar drinks are about as different as tea leaves and pure cocaine. It's is no coincidence that both are refined white powders. *honey

I take it you haven’t tried a nice ripe mango from subtropical regions, or a pineapple, white grapes (or grape juice), watermelon, navel oranges? They can be sweeter than Dr. Pepper. Sugarcane also exists and you can chew it. They just tended to 1) come with fiber, 2) not be as easy to acquire or eat in large quantities 3) not available all year, or all at once

This is nonsense:

100g of mango has 14g of sugar

100g of watermelon has 6.2g of sugar

100g of navel orange has 12g of sugar

100g of sugar has 100g of sugar, 1 can of Dr Pepper has 40g of sugar

It's both pure sugar AND more sugar. You have to eat more than half a pound of mango to get to the same sugar as a Dr Pepper.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by vasco »

brailsafe wrote: post #87
exhilaration wrote: post #79

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So taking myself as an example: I drink 12 oz of coffee daily (7 days per week), and I add exactly 12 grams of table sugar to my coffee each day (equivalent to 3 sugar packets), which is 45 calories. Seems like I don't have much wiggle room and should continue avoiding soda and juice.

I'll be the guy that I assume most people are sick of by this point, and recommend experimenting with dropping the additives in exchange for higher quality coffee if you can afford it (it's usually not much more per cup). At effectively zero calories, after some period of time you'll get used to it and recalibrate your sense of sweetness to the point where sugary drinks and coffee are much less palatable

You can either get better coffee or you can also just get used to the flavor. I didn't like it and after about a year it became fine, now I have a lifetime of no sugar coffee unlocked.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by SoftTalker »

samaltmanfried wrote: post #20
nnurmanov wrote: post #12

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I went little further. I could not find low or no sugar Nestle cereals at the local supermarket, then I asked their support if they have something with low sugar. Their rep wrote that they have lowered the sugar amount by 34% from 2000 to 2010, but it is still not clear if those amount are OK, when I taste the sugar amount is definitely high. I do think the government should step in and promote healthy food and habit…

It's really tragic that lots of Americans think this kind of garbage is a healthier alternative to other kinds of breakfast. It may actually have less sugar than pancakes drenched in some disgusting syrup, but it's still garbage. There's a real problem with nutritional literacy in this country. The manufacturers of these products really aren't helping here either. Cheerios have a big 'CAN LOWER CHOLERSTEROL' plastere…

Is this regular Cheerios, or Honey Nut?

The Honey Nut Cheerios are glazed in sugar, but the plain Cheerios (to my taste) don't have much if any. Don't have any here to check the ingredients though. If I want cereal for breakfast I generally make plain oatmeal.

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Post by SoftTalker »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #10
firesteelrain wrote: post #6

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FWIW - the convenient stores near me sell the Core Power Elite Protein drinks. I have picked them up and it helps make my protein goals on days where I come up short. They do taste pretty good but more expensive than a soda. It's possible people are depressed and looking for the most tasty option.

One thing 7-11s have started stocking in recent years is packaged hard boiled eggs. The price is insane if you compare it to boiling your own, and they are a bit tasteless, but you don't have to peel them and the price is reasonable compared to other stuff there if you're stuck eating lunch from 7-11.

Two hard-boiled eggs and an apple is a pretty nutritious lunch for about $2-$3 tops.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by Someone1234 »

protimewaster wrote: post #93
PaulRobinson wrote: post #45

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Not what has happened in the UK, where sugar tax has been a thing since 2018. It's now actually quite hard to find a sweetened drink - almost all soda-style beverages now are "zero sugar", sweetened with artificial sweeteners. Nobody is buying sugar and pouring it in. Nobody. It's a little too early to determine if this has slowed the prevalence of diabetes in the population. One problem is that other studies have sh…

Last time I was in the UK, nearly everywhere that sold soda offered the full calorie, full sugar version of Coke. Pepsi and other drinks were often only available in lower or zero sugar, but Coke was almost always available in the full sugar version, for some reason.

It is a choice manufacturers made.

Pepsi and Dr. Pepper decided to go lower sugar with supplemental artificial sweeteners to keep their price down, whereas Coca-Cola kept the original formula, but it costs more.

To put figures to this:

- Pepsi (11g sugar per 250 ml): 8.8p/100ml

- Dr. Pepper (11g sugar per 250 ml): 10.0p/100ml

- Coca-Cola (27g sugar per 250 ml): 14.2p/100ml

"full sugar" Dr. Pepper also contains: Aspartame, Acesulfame K

"full sugar" Pepsi contains: Sucralose, Acesulfame K

So after the sugar tax some people moved to these hybrid drinks whereas others just moved whole-hog to Pepsi Max and Diet Dr. Pepper which are commonly cheaper and have the same aftertaste as their "full sugar" variants.

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Post by Xeronate »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #26
zargon wrote: post #24

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From the Cheerios box in my cupboard: 140 calories per serving, 1g added sugar per serving. 1g carb = 4 calories. 4 / 140 = 3%. I would not be at all surprised if some flavor of Cheerios is 24% added sugar, but regular Cheerios are not so bad in the sugar department.

> 1g added sugar per serving That is still a good amount of sugar given it’s every day and setting your morning baseline. If taken with e.g. a refined juice or sweetened coffee, that’s probably setting one up for sugar cravings in a few hours.

1g of sugar per serving is hardly anything. You are weakening your argument by being hyperbolic.

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Post by pjerem »

criddell wrote: post #96
ricardobeat wrote: post #86

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Not in the EU: > It should be clearly indicated when a product is a mixture of fruit juice and fruit juice from concentrate https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A...

Are you saying that they couldn't say "100% fruit juice and no sugar added" on the label when the drink is a mixture of fruit juice and fruit juice from concentrate? What part of the regulation would prohibit this?

You can say "no added sugar" but you are forced to write it’s from a concentrate and it must be in the front of the product, not hidden somewhere.

Not perfect but at least you can’t just say it’s fruit juice.

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Post by tpoacher »

"Tendency to manifest consumption of sugar beverages attributable to predisposition to type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease."

Hm. I thought the "switcheroo test" would create an obviously false "what if" statement in this case, but not so sure.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by dfltr »

neom wrote: post #39

Interesting. I think folks in the comments here maybe missed this paper is way more about the beverages part making it important. The research is around sugar sweetened beverages (SSBs). If I'm reading it right, the SSBs have a differentmetabolic effect. "Due to their liquid form, SSBs are rapidly consumed and digested, resulting in lower satiety, higher caloric intake and weight gain. High doses of rapidly digested…

"Sugar: The Bitter Truth" (https://robertlustig.com/sugar-the-bitter-truth/) is a pretty long watch, but it's incredibly eye-opening in terms of explaining in detail exactly why our current dietary sugar intake is so damaging to our bodies.

Note: Robert Lustig is a professor of pediatric endocrinology at UCSF, I promise I wouldn't ask you (the reader) to watch a long-ass youtube video unless it contained extremely relevant science about how you (the biological machine) work.

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