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Trump declines to rule out using military to control Greenland, Panama Canal

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Re: Trump declines to rule out using military to control Greenland, Panama Canal

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> Don’t forget, we basically protect Canada. But here’s the problem with Canada. So many friends up there, I love the Canadian people. They’re great, but we’re spending hundreds of billions a year to protect it. We’re spending hundreds of billions a year to take care of Canada. We lose in trade deficits.

Trump is engaging in some light trolling here. He's going off script and just saying whatever comes across his mind. His overall goal is to lay out grievances and trying to upsell their severity. The end goal is, and always is, to make some kind of "deal". He's a Karen, trying to talk to the manager.

People shouldn't take his threats literally - but you should take them seriously. I don't think the threat is that the US invades Greenland, but that the US uses it as an excuse to try to sour relations with Europe.

Same thing with Panama and renaming the gulf thing. I don't think the US would take over Panama (again). But there is probably going to be a massive effort to get China to stop trading with Cuba and Venezuela.

Re: Trump declines to rule out using military to control Greenland, Panama Canal

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I doubt it. Because the western premises and good faith leans on the non written law of not taking eachothers land. Exactly what Russia did in Ukraine. But that doesn't mean the guy is not doing it. The option is there. One thing we don't know yet is whether US intelligence knows something we don't, in terms of China and or Russia. USA has since 1942 I believe had the military defence over the island, so in that capa…

> One thing we don't know yet is whether US intelligence knows something we don't, in terms of China and or Russia.

Isn't it a matter of resource mining? Greenland is getting warmer and thus the access to its resources becomes gradually easier.

Re: Trump declines to rule out using military to control Greenland, Panama Canal

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post #3

Also > Trump says 'economic force' could be used to unite Canada, United States > Trump says Meta 'probably' ended factchecking because of his threats > Trump says Gulf of Mexico should be renamed to 'Gulf of America'

I'm already exhausted of this, and he's not even inaugurated yet.

Remember, MAGAts are a sign of rot and decay

Re: Trump declines to rule out using military to control Greenland, Panama Canal

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I doubt it. Because the western premises and good faith leans on the non written law of not taking eachothers land. Exactly what Russia did in Ukraine. But that doesn't mean the guy is not doing it. The option is there. One thing we don't know yet is whether US intelligence knows something we don't, in terms of China and or Russia. USA has since 1942 I believe had the military defence over the island, so in that capa…

Well the US invaded Greenland when Germany invaded Denmark in WWII and have had a military presence ever since. The US also engineered Panama's independence in order to get sovereignty over the canal zone, which they completed. And then of course they actually invaded the country in 1989.

"Invaded" implies a hostile, or at least forceful takeover.

That's not what happened. In fact its local government reached out to the US and agreed to come under its wing as a de-facto protectorate, which it saw as a preferable alternative to Canadanian/British (and in any case German) intervention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_in_World_War_II

Re: Trump declines to rule out using military to control Greenland, Panama Canal

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I doubt it. Because the western premises and good faith leans on the non written law of not taking eachothers land. Exactly what Russia did in Ukraine. But that doesn't mean the guy is not doing it. The option is there. One thing we don't know yet is whether US intelligence knows something we don't, in terms of China and or Russia. USA has since 1942 I believe had the military defence over the island, so in that capa…

Well the US invaded Greenland when Germany invaded Denmark in WWII and have had a military presence ever since. The US also engineered Panama's independence in order to get sovereignty over the canal zone, which they completed. And then of course they actually invaded the country in 1989.

Just learned from Wikipedia that the US previously considered buying Greenland in 1867 and actually made an offer to buy it in 1946.

So the idea is clearly not new.

Now, this is Trump so a lot of bluster and unclear what he is actually getting at but in an historical perspective neither this nor (re)gaining control of the Panama canal (which the US only fully relinquished in 1999) are new or crazy.

Re: Trump declines to rule out using military to control Greenland, Panama Canal

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> Don’t forget, we basically protect Canada. But here’s the problem with Canada. So many friends up there, I love the Canadian people. They’re great, but we’re spending hundreds of billions a year to protect it. We’re spending hundreds of billions a year to take care of Canada. We lose in trade deficits. Trump is engaging in some light trolling here. He's going off script and just saying whatever comes across his min…

The Danish government is and has been well under their 2% NATO commitment. I can see a case where in the face of the requirement being moved up from 2%, Denmark may need the money. Lets not forget about the 57K people in Greenland who would love some mailbox money for letting the US exploit their natural resources. The way I see this happening is that the people of Greenland are sold on the idea and the Danish govt. is in the awkward position of trying to stop them, and theres some leverage over them regarding their ability to fund their NATO commitment. Additionally I have a feeling someone is going to have to fund whatever becomes of the war in Ukraine because it seems to me the US is finished.

Your take is dead on but there is a case where we actually do get it done and its not as hard as its being made out to be.

Re: Trump declines to rule out using military to control Greenland, Panama Canal

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This news items does not deserve a flag. It's not every day an American president publicly muses about annexing neighbouring countries.

Well, it historically hasn't been every day ... that may be changing now

Re: Trump declines to rule out using military to control Greenland, Panama Canal

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While I dislike the term "fake news" this is a typical example of a lefty mainstream source distorting what Trump said to make him look bad and then declining to link to the original source so as to make it hard to catch them out.

Here's what he actually said https://youtu.be/K0EaHawPM2g

As an aside I think the whole strategy is past its best by date. People are wise to it and still elected Trump despite the best efforts.

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