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Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by hilux »

It's "good" that this is in Nature, but does any health-aware person not already know this?

Our real problem is that most people aren't health-aware, and advertising (including the pharma-funded healthcare system) absolutely overwhelms common-sense truths about health.

Over the past few years I have improved my own health by greatly limiting my intake of sugars, including by cutting out "healthy" smoothies, but I learned all this from Dr Internet, and NOT from any physician who was being paid to treat me. US physicians' knowledge of nutrition is stuck at whatever they were taught in med school, which was probably 20+ years behind the research at that time.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by hilux »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #10
firesteelrain wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW - the convenient stores near me sell the Core Power Elite Protein drinks. I have picked them up and it helps make my protein goals on days where I come up short. They do taste pretty good but more expensive than a soda. It's possible people are depressed and looking for the most tasty option.

One thing 7-11s have started stocking in recent years is packaged hard boiled eggs. The price is insane if you compare it to boiling your own, and they are a bit tasteless, but you don't have to peel them and the price is reasonable compared to other stuff there if you're stuck eating lunch from 7-11.

Nice. "Tea eggs" are big in East Asian corner stores.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by jacobgkau »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #61
bitmasher9 wrote: post #47

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Saying will power isn’t a solution is insulting to everyone that successfully made lifestyle and diet changes to become healthier without pharmaceutical intervention. It may not work for everyone all the time, but I know a lot of people that have made these changes.

If one is insulted, they should revisit their mental model and emotional state. There is no gold star for will power because someone lucked out with genetics and brain chemistry/structure. “Be more lucky” is not actionable for the body you are issued. We can patch bugs in the human, and we should whenever possible and desired by the person. This helps them make their own luck.

You are transferring the problem from the foods industry to the pharmaceutical industry. I hope "one" knows that.

The "bugs" are not in "the human," they're in the food industry. Fixing our food supply would be far better for individuals and society than fighting fire with fire by leaving our food broken and using drugs to work around it.

In the meantime, doing what you can to unbreak your diet without using drugs is still far smarter than relying on an artificial "fix" for the "machine" that is literally you (and can't be tossed and replaced when you find out your "fix" caused other issues, which happens almost every time the pharma industry provides shortcuts for people). Doing it this way also moves your demand as a consumer to the unbroken parts of the food supply, which will help everyone else as food companies are incentivized to cater to that instead of continuing on with what they're doing.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

zargon wrote: post #55
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #26

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> 1g added sugar per serving That is still a good amount of sugar given it’s every day and setting your morning baseline. If taken with e.g. a refined juice or sweetened coffee, that’s probably setting one up for sugar cravings in a few hours.

A slice of bread (in the U.S.) has more than 1g of added sugar (and less than 140 calories). (If you know of any besides Ezekiel that have less sugar, I would like to hear about it.) I don't think it is fair to villainize Cheerios when it is one of the least offensive options among ultraprocessed breakfast cereals. Especially based on... other things that aren't Cheerios? Juice (20+ g sugar) and coffee sweetener (4+…

> don't think it is fair to villainize Cheerios when it is one of the least offensive options among ultraprocessed breakfast cereals

You’re correct. I’m damning the whole category within the context of this discussion.

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JumpCrisscross wrote: post #26
zargon wrote: post #24

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From the Cheerios box in my cupboard: 140 calories per serving, 1g added sugar per serving. 1g carb = 4 calories. 4 / 140 = 3%. I would not be at all surprised if some flavor of Cheerios is 24% added sugar, but regular Cheerios are not so bad in the sugar department.

> 1g added sugar per serving That is still a good amount of sugar given it’s every day and setting your morning baseline. If taken with e.g. a refined juice or sweetened coffee, that’s probably setting one up for sugar cravings in a few hours.

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by jacobgkau »

KittenInABox wrote: post #64
bitmasher9 wrote: post #47

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Saying will power isn’t a solution is insulting to everyone that successfully made lifestyle and diet changes to become healthier without pharmaceutical intervention. It may not work for everyone all the time, but I know a lot of people that have made these changes.

By this logic I, a person who has never been at risk of financial insolvency partially due to my lack of consumer addiction/upbringing with financial literacy, should be insulted by someone who says that budgeting isn't a solution to systemic poverty.

No, by this logic, you should be insulted by someone saying paid professional accountants managing all of your money is the only way for society to avoid widespread debt because "most people" haven't managed to bring themselves to do the basic at-home budgeting that you're used to.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by hombre_fatal »

samaltmanfried wrote: post #20
nnurmanov wrote: post #12

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I went little further. I could not find low or no sugar Nestle cereals at the local supermarket, then I asked their support if they have something with low sugar. Their rep wrote that they have lowered the sugar amount by 34% from 2000 to 2010, but it is still not clear if those amount are OK, when I taste the sugar amount is definitely high. I do think the government should step in and promote healthy food and habit…

It's really tragic that lots of Americans think this kind of garbage is a healthier alternative to other kinds of breakfast. It may actually have less sugar than pancakes drenched in some disgusting syrup, but it's still garbage. There's a real problem with nutritional literacy in this country. The manufacturers of these products really aren't helping here either. Cheerios have a big 'CAN LOWER CHOLERSTEROL' plastere…

There's nothing wrong with the "can lower cholesterol" banner on it because it's a source of whole grains and it has no saturated fat. That combo generally does lower cholesterol when put to the test, and it probably is one of the best cereals in the aisle.

Directing people towards better alternatives is a good thing.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by exhilaration »

neom wrote: post #39

Interesting. I think folks in the comments here maybe missed this paper is way more about the beverages part making it important. The research is around sugar sweetened beverages (SSBs). If I'm reading it right, the SSBs have a differentmetabolic effect. "Due to their liquid form, SSBs are rapidly consumed and digested, resulting in lower satiety, higher caloric intake and weight gain. High doses of rapidly digested…

So taking myself as an example: I drink 12 oz of coffee daily (7 days per week), and I add exactly 12 grams of table sugar to my coffee each day (equivalent to 3 sugar packets), which is 45 calories. Seems like I don't have much wiggle room and should continue avoiding soda and juice.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by toomuchtodo »

jacobgkau wrote: post #74
toomuchtodo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one is insulted, they should revisit their mental model and emotional state. There is no gold star for will power because someone lucked out with genetics and brain chemistry/structure. “Be more lucky” is not actionable for the body you are issued. We can patch bugs in the human, and we should whenever possible and desired by the person. This helps them make their own luck.

You are transferring the problem from the foods industry to the pharmaceutical industry. I hope "one" knows that. The "bugs" are not in "the human," they're in the food industry. Fixing our food supply would be far better for individuals and society than fighting fire with fire by leaving our food broken and using drugs to work around it. In the meantime, doing what you can to unbreak your diet without using drugs is…

If this is your belief, then you do not understand the mechanisms by which GLP-1 agonists work. They silence the signals in the brain craving the unhealthy foods in question. You will never win against your brain chemistry.
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