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Nvidia's Project Digits is a 'personal AI supercomputer'

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Re: Nvidia's Project Digits is a 'personal AI supercomputer'

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I would bet that people running LLMs on their Macs, today, is <0.1% of their user base.

People buying Macs for LLMs—sure I agree. Since the current MacOS comes built in with small LLMs, that number might be closer to 50% not 0.1%.

I'm not arguing whether or not Macs are capable of doing it, but whether is a material force that drives people to buy Macs because of it; it's not.

Re: Nvidia's Project Digits is a 'personal AI supercomputer'

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I feel this is bigger than the 5x series GPUs. Given the craze around AI/LLMs, this can also potentially eat into Apple’s slice of the enthusiast AI dev segment once the M4 Max/Ultra Mac minis are released. I sure wished I held some Nvidia stocks, they seem to be doing everything right in the last few years!

> they seem to be doing everything right in the last few years About that... Not like there isn't a lot to be desired from the linux drivers: I'm running a K80 and M40 in a workstation at home and the thought of having to ever touch the drivers, now that the system is operational, terrifies me. It is by far the biggest "don't fix it if it ain't broke" thing in my life.

Use a filesystem that snapshots AND do a complete backup.

Re: Nvidia's Project Digits is a 'personal AI supercomputer'

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Now that the majority of their revenue is from data centers instead of Windows gaming PCs, you'd think their relationship with Linux should improve or already has.

They have been making real improvements the last few years. Most of their proprietary driver code is in firmware now, and the kernel driver is open-source[1] (the userland-side is still closed though). They've also significantly improved support for wayland and stopped trying to force eglstreams on the community. Wayland+nvidia works quite well now, especially after they added explicit sync support. 1. https://github…

>complicated

... as in remember the time a ransomware hacker outfit demanded they release the drivers or else .....

https://www.webpronews.com/open-source-drivers-or-else-nvidi...

Re: Nvidia's Project Digits is a 'personal AI supercomputer'

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If I were NVidia, I would be throwing everything I could at making entertainment experiences that need one of these to run... I mean, this is awfully close to being "Her" in a box, right?

I feel like a lot of people miss that Her was a dystopian future, not an ideal to hit. Also, it’s $3000. For that you could buy subscriptions to OpenAI etc and have the dystopian partner everywhere you go.

One man's dystopia is another man's dream. There's no "missing" in the moral of a movie, you make whatever you want out of it.

Re: Nvidia's Project Digits is a 'personal AI supercomputer'

#435

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Isn’t the cloud GPU market covering this? I can run a model for $2/hr, or get a 8xH100 if I need to play with something bigger.

I have the skills to write efficient CUDA kernels, but $2/hr is 10% of my salary, so no way I'm renting any H100s. The electricity price for my computer is already painful enough as is. I am sure there are many eastern European developers who are more skilled and get paid even less. This is a huge waste of resources all due to NVIDIA's artificial market segmentation. Or maybe I am just cranky because I want more VRAM…

This has 128GB of unified memory. A similarly configured Mac Studio costs almost twice as much, and I'm not sure the GPU is on the same league (software support wise, it isn't, but that's fixable).

A real shame it's not running mainline Linux - I don't like their distro based on Ubuntu LTS.

Re: Nvidia's Project Digits is a 'personal AI supercomputer'

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Are you aware that mainline linux runs on these Jetson devices? It's a bit of annoying work, but you can be running ArchLinuxARM. https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/pull/1580 Edit: It's been a while since I did this, but I had to manually build the kernel, overwrite a dtb file maybe (and Linux_for_Tegra/bootloader/l4t_initrd.img) and run something like this (for xavier) sudo ./flash.sh -N 128.30.84.100:/srv/ar…

How close does any of that get a person to having Ubuntu 24.04 running on their board? (I guess we can put aside the issue of Nvidia's closed source graphics drivers for the moment)

Isn't the Jetson line more of an embedded line and not a end-user desktop? Why would you run Ubuntu?

Re: Nvidia's Project Digits is a 'personal AI supercomputer'

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$3k for a 128GB standalone is quite favorable pricing considering the next best option at home is going to be a 32GB 5090 at $2k for the card alone, so probably $3k when you’re done building a rig around it.

Agreed. I care more about LLM size than tokens/sec so the GB10 or Strix Halo with 128GB are my leading choices. Both look to be cheaper than a similar mac studio with 128GB (minimum $4,800 currently). Will have to wait on final config, pricing, and performance.

Re: Nvidia's Project Digits is a 'personal AI supercomputer'

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This is something every company should make sure they have: an onboarding path. Xeon Phi failed for a number of reasons, but one where it didn't need to fail was availability of software optimised for it. Now we have Xeons and EPYCs, and MI300C's with lots of efficient cores, but we could have been writing software tailored for those for 10 years now. Extracting performance from them would be a solved problem at this…

Raptor Computing provides POWER9 workstations. They're not cheap, still use last-gen hardware (DDR4/PCIe 4 ... and POWER9 itself) but they're out there. https://www.raptorcs.com/content/base/products.html

They're not offering POWER10 either because IBM closed the firmware again. Stupid move.

Re: Nvidia's Project Digits is a 'personal AI supercomputer'

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I feel this is bigger than the 5x series GPUs. Given the craze around AI/LLMs, this can also potentially eat into Apple’s slice of the enthusiast AI dev segment once the M4 Max/Ultra Mac minis are released. I sure wished I held some Nvidia stocks, they seem to be doing everything right in the last few years!

This is something every company should make sure they have: an onboarding path. Xeon Phi failed for a number of reasons, but one where it didn't need to fail was availability of software optimised for it. Now we have Xeons and EPYCs, and MI300C's with lots of efficient cores, but we could have been writing software tailored for those for 10 years now. Extracting performance from them would be a solved problem at this…

There were Phi cards, but they were pricey and power hungry (at the time, now current GPU cards probably meet or exceed the Phi card's power consumption) for plugging into your home PC. A few years back there was a big fire sale on Phi cards - you could pick one up for like $200. But by then nobody cared.

Re: Nvidia's Project Digits is a 'personal AI supercomputer'

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Digits is petaflops of FP4, roadrunner is petaflops of FP32. So at least a factor of 8 difference, but in practice much more. (IE I strongly doubt digits can do 1/8th petaflop of FP32) Beyond that, the factors seem reasonable for 2 decades?

> roadrunner is petaflops of FP32 Isn't it actually FP64?

So i can find sources that claim both ;) I wasn't sure what to believe, and didn't spend more than 5 minutes digging for the real results, so i went with the conservative one.
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