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Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by guax »

myvoiceismypass wrote: post #107
multimoon wrote: post #97

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I challenge you to find another economic system that has worked in history, because it sure isn’t communism if that’s what you’re referencing. This is also aside from the fact that Europe is also a subscriber to capitalism. America is the most successful country on this earth and we bankroll most of the rest of the world but somehow we’re always the bad guys. As an American I’d be very happy if my tax dollars stopped…

I might be missing something - are you saying the only choices of economic systems is communism or American style capitalism?

There is also the good old: "We can't discuss changes because there is nothing better already existing. There can't be anything better because we cannot change"

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by amalcon »

ternnoburn wrote: post #406
philwelch wrote: post #258

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Austin is much closer to the center of mainstream American sentiment than the SF Bay Area, but it’s still to the left of center.

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Parent obviously meant "center" to be the political center of the U.S. given the previous sentence. I'm not sure they're correct in either statement (not having investigated in any way), or that this is a reasonable thing to consider for a global platform (to the extent that Facebook is one).

Nonetheless, it's trivially true that somewhere in the US must be to the left of the political center of the U.S.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

Barrin92 wrote: post #363
tptacek wrote: post #217

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I get how the partisan story is easy to tell here, but I'm saying something pretty specific: I think it would have been product development malpractice for this decision not to have been in the works for many, many months, long before the GOP takeover of the federal government was a safe bet. Community Notes has been that successful, and Facebook's fact-checkers have been that much of a product disaster. I've never s…

>I think it would have been product development malpractice the thing is both community notes and top down moderation, if they have any purpose at all, are product malpractice. If they work, they are always going to be intrusive because that's what they're supposed to do, correct factually wrong information. Community notes is the neighborhood police, top down moderation is the feds but if they do their job either on…

But because they are community driven, they are snarky in a way that represents the community, which makes me question if they are intrusive at all. They are what the community grows them into.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by aredox »

mhh__ wrote: post #379
aimazon wrote: post #313

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Fact checkers are the technocratic solution, they're a panel of experts to Community Note's jury of our peers. Fact checkers are a much better product feature than community notes if we want a feature that best serves people who care about facts. That's not our world, though. People don't care about facts, we are humans, our lives are lived based on vibes. The average person would rather listen to their idiot friend'…

"People don't care about facts" is such an asinine reactionary way of thinking about macro dynamics in the world. It has no predictive power at all.

Americans don't care about facts.

There's a reason why you have Creationists at the highest levels of government.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by viraptor »

tptacek wrote: post #203
josefritzishere wrote: post #199

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Generally fb has trended to worse rather than better. I already passed my personal tipping point years ago and quit fb.

It is what it is. It's a hotspot for local politics, so quitting it isn't really an option for me.

It's also the marketplace in some countries. Wanna sell some furniture locally? It may be close to the only option.

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Post by intended »

jay-barronville wrote: post #455
throw83838445 wrote: post #356

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Fact checkers will link or establish their evidence.

The claim that the president was a Russian spy was never made afaik. But if you have evidence of a fact checker saying this, I’d appreciate it.

I think you aren’t going to find it because overlapping fact checkers with news media is a slippery thing.

News media is going to be combining opinion and news, to push an angle.

Fact checkers are wont. I suspect you are shifting your ire from media, to fact checkers, which wouldn’t be fair.

However if there was a fact check that said Trump was a Russian plant? That would negate my contention.

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Post by lobf »

ternnoburn wrote: post #406
philwelch wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Austin is much closer to the center of mainstream American sentiment than the SF Bay Area, but it’s still to the left of center.

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...how do you mean? What are you defining 'left of center' as?

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

pesus wrote: post #418
ternnoburn wrote: post #406

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You're generally correct, but I imagine you won't get a good reaction on HN to this viewpoint. Most people on here unfortunately don't really an understanding of politics beyond a very surface level one.

HN is not a political site and Deng doesn't allow much politics. Your generalization is based purely on only the surface level discussion allowed.

Maybe it's you that doesn't have nuanced 'understanding'?

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by jay-barronville »

throw83838445 wrote: post #356
tptacek wrote: post #192

I'd like to hear an informed take from anybody who thinks that Facebook's fact-checkers were a better product feature than Community Notes. All of the articles I'm seeing about this online are ideological, but this feels like the kind of decision that should have been in the works for multiple quarters now, given how effective Notes have been, and how comically ineffective and off-putting fact-checkers have been. The…

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> Community notes are just opinions of random people on internet.

No. Community Notes is an open-source peer review-like system but designed in a way to limit bias: When sets of note contributors (the peers in this case) who normally strongly oppose each other’s views on Topic A strongly agree on a point made re Topic A, we’re likely getting closer to the truth.

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