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Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I'd bet a dollar per gram additive sugar tax in excess of 5g would immediately flatten the chronic disease curve. Maybe double that if it's marketed towards kids. There are a lot of problems besides sugar/HFCS but it's easily towards the top of the list.

Shops will just sell the sugar and the soda separately, mix it yourself :)

Or people will pay more.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…

I don't think people realize the scale of soda consumption that needs to happen to have health issues. By and large the people in these affected studies are not drinking water at all. They are getting all their thirst needs met by a sugary drink. That is so overboard. You can have a can of coke every now and then and not have your enamel slough off.

Mostly from own experience I know poor people drink sodas and as you get used to the taste you don’t like taste of plain water - even when you have decent tap water.

As an adult I started drinking tap water and now I don’t like taste of sodas anymore. I am happy that I got over with it but still have some people I know stuck on sodas and disliking plain water taste.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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From the Cheerios box in my cupboard: 140 calories per serving, 1g added sugar per serving. 1g carb = 4 calories. 4 / 140 = 3%. I would not be at all surprised if some flavor of Cheerios is 24% added sugar, but regular Cheerios are not so bad in the sugar department.

What is the serving size and more importantly how does the serving size compare to what people actually eat?

Serving size is 1.5 cups. Regardless of how much people eat, it's still only 3% added sugar.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I'd bet a dollar per gram additive sugar tax in excess of 5g would immediately flatten the chronic disease curve. Maybe double that if it's marketed towards kids. There are a lot of problems besides sugar/HFCS but it's easily towards the top of the list.

Shops will just sell the sugar and the soda separately, mix it yourself :) Or people will pay more.

I bet adding the sugar yourself would reduce consumption considerably. Which would be the goal of the tax.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I'd bet a dollar per gram additive sugar tax in excess of 5g would immediately flatten the chronic disease curve. Maybe double that if it's marketed towards kids. There are a lot of problems besides sugar/HFCS but it's easily towards the top of the list.

Shops will just sell the sugar and the soda separately, mix it yourself :) Or people will pay more.

Not what has happened in the UK, where sugar tax has been a thing since 2018. It's now actually quite hard to find a sweetened drink - almost all soda-style beverages now are "zero sugar", sweetened with artificial sweeteners. Nobody is buying sugar and pouring it in. Nobody.

It's a little too early to determine if this has slowed the prevalence of diabetes in the population. One problem is that other studies have shown that drinking artificially sweetened beverages with foods means many people end up eating more calories of food - the brain is looking for calories indicated by the sweet taste its not getting from the beverage, so compensates.

It's a complex picture, but sugar taxes seem to be a reasonable way to get sugary drinks off the shelves.

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I don't think people realize the scale of soda consumption that needs to happen to have health issues. By and large the people in these affected studies are not drinking water at all. They are getting all their thirst needs met by a sugary drink. That is so overboard. You can have a can of coke every now and then and not have your enamel slough off.

We had a family friend who is in her late 50s stay for a couple of days over Christmas, all she drunk was Diet Coke. Even going to bed at night she took a bottle of Diet Coke with her. The thought of waking up through the night for a swig of Coke grosses me out a bit. And yes, she is the absolute picture of health...

eh, Diet Coke is primarily water, aspartame, phosphoric acid and caffeine. I drink 5/6 of them a day (don't like water much). The paper linked actually says short term effects of diet soda are less problematic, but recent evidence suggests that aspartame may have harms on the microbiome and glucose tolerance generally.

That said, the idea of drinking anything either sweet or carbonated before bed, during the night, or in the morning, mind boggling to me, that does sound really gross.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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It's good to see more studies come on this but it's not exactly news. Researchers have known for quite some time now that there's an entire constellation of diseases (diabetes, stroke, certain cancers, fatty liver disease, heart disease, etc, etc) known as metabolic syndrome that are all caused by diet and lifestyle.

Also good that GLP-1s have been found to help people patch the reward center around unhealthy diet demand signals. We know these things are bad, we know will power isn't a solution, and we have a fix we can deploy at scale relatively inexpensively. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41988285 ("HN: GLP-1 for Everything") https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42579445 ("HN: Weight loss drugs seem to be driving down gr…

Saying will power isn’t a solution is insulting to everyone that successfully made lifestyle and diet changes to become healthier without pharmaceutical intervention.

It may not work for everyone all the time, but I know a lot of people that have made these changes.

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Also good that GLP-1s have been found to help people patch the reward center around unhealthy diet demand signals. We know these things are bad, we know will power isn't a solution, and we have a fix we can deploy at scale relatively inexpensively. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41988285 ("HN: GLP-1 for Everything") https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42579445 ("HN: Weight loss drugs seem to be driving down gr…

Saying will power isn’t a solution is insulting to everyone that successfully made lifestyle and diet changes to become healthier without pharmaceutical intervention. It may not work for everyone all the time, but I know a lot of people that have made these changes.

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I'd bet a dollar per gram additive sugar tax in excess of 5g would immediately flatten the chronic disease curve. Maybe double that if it's marketed towards kids. There are a lot of problems besides sugar/HFCS but it's easily towards the top of the list.

Shops will just sell the sugar and the soda separately, mix it yourself :) Or people will pay more.

they'll optimize the packaging to help you out. My mom tells me about how margarine used to come with a yellow color packet to mix into your white spread. The dairy board lobbied to make it illegal to sell yellow margarine because "it looks like butter". Didn't seem to hurt Oleo much...

https://www.cbc.ca/archives/when-consumers-had-to-diy-for-th...

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