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Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the scrolling probably isn't intentional What makes you believe that? It's pretty clearly intentional even if it only applies to Chromium browsers.

I was referring to PCWorld there. I've rephrased it. Hopefully it's a little clearer now.

Ah, thanks for the clarification

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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Never quite understood the hate for Bing. I despise Microsoft, but Bing is fine. It's one of the least shit Microsoft products there is. It definitely wasn't competitive on release, but it's fine now. To be fair I think this is a function of both Bing having gotten better and Google having gotten worse.

I stopped using DDG, which pulls results from Bing, because Bing fell very easily for SEO slop; yes, even worse than Google.

The most painful for me was a set of wikis filled with AI-generated nonsense about OCaml and some other niche languages, which completely shadowed genuine content on the first page of any search.

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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Never quite understood the hate for Bing. I despise Microsoft, but Bing is fine. It's one of the least shit Microsoft products there is. It definitely wasn't competitive on release, but it's fine now. To be fair I think this is a function of both Bing having gotten better and Google having gotten worse.

In my experience the search results on bing are a spam filled trash fire.

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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This removes a step for someone that would have searched for google and then clicked on the link and then done their real search, so overall it sounds like a nice improvement in the vast majority of cases. I don't expect many people that care about the difference between search engines to be using this method.

They're not actually making a google search if they use that search field. Microsoft is just presenting another Bing search field when people search "google" and showing that at the top of the page instead of the link they are ostensibly looking for.

And what fraction of the people this affects do you think care about the difference?

What fraction even know the difference?

My guesses are not very big.

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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This is only funny because no one takes bing seriously.

I think it's hilarious because they're doing the same shenanigans that Google does.

When you search on Google everything above the fold is not "a list of search results". Often it's a definition or conversion calculator or some other custom UI that isn't "a list of search results".

Microsoft has programmed Bing to do the exact same thing. Everything above the fold is a custom UI that coincidentally looks a lot like the Google Search engine. The Chef's kiss is that it scrolls down just the tiniest bit to put the Bing UI above the fold rather than hide it. This gives them plausible deniability.

It's brilliant and hilarious. I love it. I'm still not using Bing (or Google for that matter) but I love it.

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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I prefer bing + copilot as a search engine over google if I must use one. Been using it since the beta, have a corporate/business account now. It (usually) provides a good description of my answer and gives sources I can click on to verify. No other search engine I am aware of is doing this right now, although I know chatGPT has recently introduced or talked about a feature like this (I don't really use chatGPT). This is exactly what I want in a good search tool. However, my frustration with bing arises in that from one day to the next there is absolutely no consistency in how "good" the tool feels - almost like there are times they downgraded the underlying model to reduce load/cost without informing the user. They should focus on a better user experience than google, which if I can interject my opinion, is a shockingly low bar these days, and let growth happen by simply being a good tool - all the gimmicks and attempts they've made at mass adoption has seemed very forced. And yes, I'm aware of the natural lock-in advantage google has and how hard that is to surmount, but bing has a large enough percentage of search userbase by now to achieve its own critical mass if it needed to, IMO. Forcing adoption and locking it into microsoft ecosystem will probably eventually be the reason I stop using it.

Re: Microsoft disguises Bing as Google to fool inattentive searchers

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Never quite understood the hate for Bing. I despise Microsoft, but Bing is fine. It's one of the least shit Microsoft products there is. It definitely wasn't competitive on release, but it's fine now. To be fair I think this is a function of both Bing having gotten better and Google having gotten worse.

Honestly, this is what I want bing's 'homepage' to look like and I usually configure it to be as close to that as I can. The default was/is a ton of news and other junk. I just want a search bar and maybe an identifier picture. It was one of the things I liked when google first came out. It was 'simple' as many of the other search engines from years ago had tons of 'helpful' things on the front page that I just did n…

I always find it embarrassing when a colleague opens up a new tab while screen sharing and Bing / Edge starts spamming trashy news.

Given Microsoft is “soo enterprise” it’s always a source of amazement that Microsoft feel it’s acceptable to default to this kind of spammy behaviour.

It just goes to show how running businesses by engagement scores really is just a race to the bottom.

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