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Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad In U.K.

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Re: Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad In U.K.

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Post by wmf »

_ea1k wrote: post #56
wmf wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK the use of cover glass instead of a raised plastic bezel was actually innovative.

Not really: http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/03/crunchpad-the-launch-protot...

I'm not sure that proves anything; the CrunchPad appears to be derivative of the iPhone which had been out for a year at that point. I consider scaling up the iPhone design to a larger size to be obvious. For clarity:

2004: Apple files patent on iPad-like design

2007: iPhone released

2008: CrunchPad development started

Re: Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad In U.K.

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Post by tysonjennings »

rimantas wrote: post #60
jkn wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The LG Prada was presented for the iF Design Award in September 2006, and won. See http://mobile.engadget.com/2006/12/15/the-lg-ke850-touchable... Edit: not sure which phone was first on the market though.

And iPhone was in the works for 2.5 years before being revealed in public. Or maybe they just did everything betwwen Sep 2006 and January 2007?

So you think the LG Prada was designed and produced in a weekend?

Re: Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad In U.K.

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Post by powerslave12r »

briandear wrote: post #14

I don't understand how anyone can root for Samsung given Korean chaebol's long history of blatantly ripping off everything. Any research into the history of Samsung, Daewoo, LG will reveal a long line if copied products. Of course most if these products were only sold within Korea specifically because they knew what try we're doing would never pass muster on the international stage. Samsung is a dirty company. Do a l…

I don't understand how anyone can root for anyone. We lose either way. Think about it before you go ahead with your down vote.

Re: Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad In U.K.

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Post by Steko »

tysonjennings wrote: post #53
Steko wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bzzzt, iPhone was demo'd publicly before LG Prada.

Why lie, man? Just to "prove" some point? The iPhone was first demoed by Steve Jobs in January of 2007, the LG Prada was demoed in December of 2006.

One photo is not a demo. LG Prada first publicly unveiled Jan 18, 2007.

http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-samsung-f700-prada-phone-rum...

Why call someone a liar man, just to prove some point?

Re: Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad In U.K.

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Post by siglesias »

georgemcbay wrote: post #57
siglesias wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least 50, by my reckoning. I'm thinking of doors, televisions, cups, windows, chairs, eyeglasses, automobiles, all sorts of things with coy simplistic descriptions that exist in innumerable variety of physical appearance.

None of those things (with the arguable exception of eyeglasses) have practical benefits from being as small and light as possible while doing their job, so it isn't the same.

But surely there are other design considerations and constraints that bind objects within these classes together.

Re: Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad In U.K.

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Post by slavak »

Terretta wrote: post #26
jkn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This just shows that "black rectangle with rounded corners" is literally the only design aspect the iPad and Galaxy tab have in common.

On the contrary, the entire presentation is virtually indistinguishable. http://www.thegalaxytab.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/galax...

http://www.singaporeclassifieds.org/wp-content/uploads/produ...

Because they are both white boxes with large pictures of the product on the front? Well color me outraged!

I think anyone with any eye for design would agree the two boxes are sufficiently different to rule out the possibility that Samsung was trying to pass of as an iPad. (Not to mention the two prominent uses of the Samsung brand on the Tab packaging's front - as opposed to a logo-less shiny black rectangle on the iPad's.)

I honestly don't understand where all these "Galaxy Tab is an iPad clone!" accusations are coming from. Is it a physically similar device? Yes, it is. But there's only so many ways you can design a minimal touch-based tablet. If you made a car that looked suspiciously like mine from the front I'd have a good reason to be pissed off. If you made a wood colored dinner table with 4 legs and a flat surface - probably not so much.

Re: Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad In U.K.

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Post by Terretta »

majormajor wrote: post #49
Terretta wrote: post #21

This is not a disjunctive syllogism. If Apple could not prove that Samsung copied them, it does not follow that Samsung didn't copy them, just as if California couldn't prove that OJ did it, it doesn't follow that he didn't do it. This ruling, that Apple has to affirm something equally unproven, is bizarre.

I have heard that some areas have three-state legal systems, at least for certain types of cases, but that's not the case here. The ruling was "they do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design." Not "Apple has not proven that Samsung infringed." You don't have to agree with the ruling, but the legal ruling was a "false," not a "null." A "not guilty" verdict may arise…

> The ruling was "they do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design."

Essentially, that Samsung didn't copy them well. As I understand it, the judge also refused to stop Apple from saying Samsung did copy them, saying Apple was entitled to its opinion.

Since the actual ruling is that Apple should note that Samsung's tablet doesn't legally infringe on Apple's registered designs, to your point, Apple's UK home page should just quote the judge:

Home Page Headline: "They are not as cool" -- UK Judge

Home Page Body: "The UK Courts require us to point out that Samsung's tablet does not have the same understated simplicity of our designs."

Re: Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad In U.K.

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Post by FireBeyond »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #8
mark_l_watson wrote: post #3

Sounds fair, considering. Apple's suit damaged Samsung, so this seems to me like fair payback.

Actually it sounds silly to me. Kind of like forcing a bully to stand up in class and say "Billy is not a poopy-face." The only good thing coming out of this whole patent-a-geddon period is real attention to how broken the system is.

Well, they may not have had to do it, if Apple had not jumped at the chance (went the ruling was only tentative) to make a pro-active strike telling retailers they were not to sell the Tab. Why should they not then have to say otherwise?

Re: Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad In U.K.

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Post by bdcravens »

This reminds of a kid who got totally destroyed in a fight: both eyes are swollen and black, his nose is broken and bleeding, he can barely talk through his swollen lip, and he has a chipped tooth. Then the teacher tells the other guy to apologize and shake your hand. You walk away thinking, "I showed him ..."

Re: Apple Must Publish Notice Samsung Didn’t Copy IPad In U.K.

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Post by Steko »

tysonjennings wrote: post #51
Steko wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Apple has never produced a new product category." "You are blind if you think that what Apple does is real innovation in the sense of what the actual producers of the cellphone did. " Please cite where I claimed they did? Straw man much? I'm just pointing out the difference between Samsung and Apple to you. They aren't the same. Apple clearly differentiates their products. Samsung aims for as little differentiation…

So your argument is that Samsung is imitating an imitator. Excuse me while I don't care.

Just put whatever words in my mouth that make you feel comfortable.
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