Really?
I thought it was salad’s fault.
Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#12> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…
I think you strike a good balance between personal freedoms and health of the population. You’re right in that availability is the problem. If I go across the road to the store, there’s a whole WALL covered in hundreds, maybe thousands, of sugar drinks, all very very cheap. You know what there isn’t any of in the whole store? Something healthy and low sugar / high protein. I have the luxury of time and a little bit o…
I went little further. I could not find low or no sugar Nestle cereals at the local supermarket, then I asked their support if they have something with low sugar. Their rep wrote that they have lowered the sugar amount by 34% from 2000 to 2010, but it is still not clear if those amount are OK, when I taste the sugar amount is definitely high. I do think the government should step in and promote healthy food and habits
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#13> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…
Can you not buy more or less as unhealthy products in countries with universal healthcare as in US? e.g. smoking rate is considerably higher in France or even in Spain Sugar consumption isn't relatively that high either compared to most European countries: https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-detai...
America's poor use EBT/food stamps to buy massive amounts of junk food, including billions on soda. Those same people are almost 100% on ACA or state health insurance plans and milking the tax payer on treatment for obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease. There is no way, in my mind, it is feasible to fund these lifestyles and provide the treatment for it. Its absolutely insane.
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
FWIW - the convenient stores near me sell the Core Power Elite Protein drinks. I have picked them up and it helps make my protein goals on days where I come up short. They do taste pretty good but more expensive than a soda. It's possible people are depressed and looking for the most tasty option.
One thing 7-11s have started stocking in recent years is packaged hard boiled eggs. The price is insane if you compare it to boiling your own, and they are a bit tasteless, but you don't have to peel them and the price is reasonable compared to other stuff there if you're stuck eating lunch from 7-11.
It is more than twice the price of Wal-Mart! Well, I guess that's the price of convenience.
2/hard boiled eggs - $2.09 @ 7/11
6/hard boiled eggs - $2.96 @ Wal-Mart
6/raw eggs - $2.62 @ Wal-Mart
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#15> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…
I don't think people realize the scale of soda consumption that needs to happen to have health issues. By and large the people in these affected studies are not drinking water at all. They are getting all their thirst needs met by a sugary drink. That is so overboard. You can have a can of coke every now and then and not have your enamel slough off.
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you not buy more or less as unhealthy products in countries with universal healthcare as in US? e.g. smoking rate is considerably higher in France or even in Spain Sugar consumption isn't relatively that high either compared to most European countries: https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-detai...
America's poor use EBT/food stamps to buy massive amounts of junk food, including billions on soda. Those same people are almost 100% on ACA or state health insurance plans and milking the tax payer on treatment for obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease. There is no way, in my mind, it is feasible to fund these lifestyles and provide the treatment for it. Its absolutely insane.
The soda is not consumed by the food stamp holder. It's used as a medium to convert the balance to cash.
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#17It's good to see more studies come on this but it's not exactly news. Researchers have known for quite some time now that there's an entire constellation of diseases (diabetes, stroke, certain cancers, fatty liver disease, heart disease, etc, etc) known as metabolic syndrome that are all caused by diet and lifestyle.
What's new to me is that it's becoming newsworthy, more people are talking about it.
To my current understanding, metabolic syndrome caused by sugar / glucose spikes is by far the biggest root cause of physical health issue in the US. Most people I know personally who are suffering from physical ailments, it's most likely metabolic syndrome at the root of it.
How to shift culture on this? When I'm in civilization in the US I'm constantly confronted with foods I have to turn down. It doesn't have to be that way.
Furthermore, because of what is in my opinion bad science and propaganda, a lot of people still think they need to stay away from saturated fat, which pushes them toward processed high glycemic index foods. Sure, you can eat a low saturated fat and low glycemic diet but it's not so easy. I'm serious it's shocking the number of people suffering from metabolic syndrome / diabetes who have told me they are trying to stay away from saturated fat but are eating crazy amounts of sugar.
I hope this continues to be talked about more and more so the people I love can turn down sugar without feeling like they're radical and countercultural.
Partly I think there's a taboo on talking about health and diet, that would be good to shift. I'm not about fat shaming but diabetes is really just bad, and preventable and reversible, and I'd like for that to be widely agreed on and talked about.
Will also be interesting to see how lawsuits like this play out: https://chat.google.com/dm/wQTk3gAAAAE/WPNwzCxw9sI/WPNwzCxw9...
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
One thing 7-11s have started stocking in recent years is packaged hard boiled eggs. The price is insane if you compare it to boiling your own, and they are a bit tasteless, but you don't have to peel them and the price is reasonable compared to other stuff there if you're stuck eating lunch from 7-11.
It is more than twice the price of Wal-Mart! Well, I guess that's the price of convenience. 2/hard boiled eggs - $2.09 @ 7/11 6/hard boiled eggs - $2.96 @ Wal-Mart 6/raw eggs - $2.62 @ Wal-Mart
Next compare the price of a donut vs the price of a bag of flour and sugar ;)
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you strike a good balance between personal freedoms and health of the population. You’re right in that availability is the problem. If I go across the road to the store, there’s a whole WALL covered in hundreds, maybe thousands, of sugar drinks, all very very cheap. You know what there isn’t any of in the whole store? Something healthy and low sugar / high protein. I have the luxury of time and a little bit o…
I went little further. I could not find low or no sugar Nestle cereals at the local supermarket, then I asked their support if they have something with low sugar. Their rep wrote that they have lowered the sugar amount by 34% from 2000 to 2010, but it is still not clear if those amount are OK, when I taste the sugar amount is definitely high. I do think the government should step in and promote healthy food and habit…
So many of these "we lowered X" things are simply "We cut the portion size down by 34% to hit calorie/sugar goals".
That's where you get dumb things like "Here's a candy bar with 3.5 servings" to try and trick a consumer into thinking it's not as calorie dense as it is.
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you strike a good balance between personal freedoms and health of the population. You’re right in that availability is the problem. If I go across the road to the store, there’s a whole WALL covered in hundreds, maybe thousands, of sugar drinks, all very very cheap. You know what there isn’t any of in the whole store? Something healthy and low sugar / high protein. I have the luxury of time and a little bit o…
I went little further. I could not find low or no sugar Nestle cereals at the local supermarket, then I asked their support if they have something with low sugar. Their rep wrote that they have lowered the sugar amount by 34% from 2000 to 2010, but it is still not clear if those amount are OK, when I taste the sugar amount is definitely high. I do think the government should step in and promote healthy food and habit…
It's really tragic that lots of Americans think this kind of garbage is a healthier alternative to other kinds of breakfast. It may actually have less sugar than pancakes drenched in some disgusting syrup, but it's still garbage. There's a real problem with nutritional literacy in this country. The manufacturers of these products really aren't helping here either. Cheerios have a big 'CAN LOWER CHOLERSTEROL' plastered on the front of the pack, but the contents are still literally 24% added sugar.