Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#2> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf
The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available.
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One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would benefit not only the receivers of care but also the people funding the healthcare system. The sellers of those things will fight (to their death) to prevent that environment from existing.
Not allowing something to be mass produced, marketed and sold is different than banning it outright.
I personally think mass scale tobacco and soda should not be sold, at the same time I think people can hand roll and pack a pipe into the grave. Same for their at home bathtub soda.
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#3> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…
I think you strike a good balance between personal freedoms and health of the population.
You’re right in that availability is the problem.
If I go across the road to the store, there’s a whole WALL covered in hundreds, maybe thousands, of sugar drinks, all very very cheap.
You know what there isn’t any of in the whole store? Something healthy and low sugar / high protein.
I have the luxury of time and a little bit of money so I can choose, but what about the busy parent who just needs energy? The busy office worker with a bunch of projects due, or just the poor individual with not much money, I don’t think it’s fair to setup these kind of situations and then blame the individuals for their choices, we have to step in at a governmental level
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#4> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…
Can you not buy more or less as unhealthy products in countries with universal healthcare as in US?
e.g. smoking rate is considerably higher in France or even in Spain
Sugar consumption isn't relatively that high either compared to most European countries:
https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-detai...
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#5It's good to see more studies come on this but it's not exactly news. Researchers have known for quite some time now that there's an entire constellation of diseases (diabetes, stroke, certain cancers, fatty liver disease, heart disease, etc, etc) known as metabolic syndrome that are all caused by diet and lifestyle.
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#6> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…
I think you strike a good balance between personal freedoms and health of the population. You’re right in that availability is the problem. If I go across the road to the store, there’s a whole WALL covered in hundreds, maybe thousands, of sugar drinks, all very very cheap. You know what there isn’t any of in the whole store? Something healthy and low sugar / high protein. I have the luxury of time and a little bit o…
FWIW - the convenient stores near me sell the Core Power Elite Protein drinks. I have picked them up and it helps make my protein goals on days where I come up short. They do taste pretty good but more expensive than a soda.
It's possible people are depressed and looking for the most tasty option.
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#7> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…
> One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would benefit not only the receivers of care but also the people funding the healthcare system. The sellers of those things will fight (to their death) to prevent that environment from existing.
Perhaps you’re implying something unique about the US, but those products are still sold in other countries that have state-funded universal health care.
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#8> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…
Can you not buy more or less as unhealthy products in countries with universal healthcare as in US? e.g. smoking rate is considerably higher in France or even in Spain Sugar consumption isn't relatively that high either compared to most European countries: https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-detai...
> > smoking rate is considerably higher in France or even in Spain
But they somehow compensate with other good habits considering that lifespan and healthspan is greater than the US.
Then we can get into a whole different conversation about the intensity of one's life in the US v. Europe not just the lenght, but that is a whole different conversation.
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#9> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…
> One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold.
For the most unhealthy class of people that are most affected by things like T2 diabetes, we have universal healthcare. At 65 you get Medicare which covers diabetes treatment.
We have yet to ban sodas despite the added cost to the taxpayers.
> I personally think mass scale tobacco and soda should not be sold, at the same time I think people can hand roll and pack a pipe into the grave. Same for their at home bathtub soda.
For tobacco, the age restriction has been the thing that has limited use more than anything. People don't tend to pick up smoking once they hit 21. Millennials by and large do not smoke and the anti-tobacco legislation in the 90s is a large part of that.
Unfortunately, because the legislation didn't target all nicotine products that left the door open for vape companies to come in and get Gen Z and Alpha addicted to nicotine all over again.
A broad ban on the sale of nicotine products to minors should be in place. It certainly shouldn't be sold over the internet.
Soda is trickier. I don't think an outright ban would be right (though it would have a fair number of positive health benefits). A sin tax would likely be ineffective and age checks seems like it would be somewhat burdensome.
Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you strike a good balance between personal freedoms and health of the population. You’re right in that availability is the problem. If I go across the road to the store, there’s a whole WALL covered in hundreds, maybe thousands, of sugar drinks, all very very cheap. You know what there isn’t any of in the whole store? Something healthy and low sugar / high protein. I have the luxury of time and a little bit o…
FWIW - the convenient stores near me sell the Core Power Elite Protein drinks. I have picked them up and it helps make my protein goals on days where I come up short. They do taste pretty good but more expensive than a soda. It's possible people are depressed and looking for the most tasty option.
One thing 7-11s have started stocking in recent years is packaged hard boiled eggs. The price is insane if you compare it to boiling your own, and they are a bit tasteless, but you don't have to peel them and the price is reasonable compared to other stuff there if you're stuck eating lunch from 7-11.