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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by megous »

multimoon wrote: post #97
coldpepper wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The faster we decouple from societies like american, the better we europeans will be. We europeans defend our European way of life, against the degenerate capitalism of the US.

I challenge you to find another economic system that has worked in history, because it sure isn’t communism if that’s what you’re referencing. This is also aside from the fact that Europe is also a subscriber to capitalism. America is the most successful country on this earth and we bankroll most of the rest of the world but somehow we’re always the bad guys. As an American I’d be very happy if my tax dollars stopped…

Somehow US Americans managed in about a year and some to almost singlehandedly fund complete destruction of already impoverished and entrapped society of 2.3 million people, most of them younger than 18. Nevermind the pressure or direct military attacks on other nations to not intervene.

And you wonder why you're viewed as baddies.

I'd be happy if your tax dollars stopped going outside of US, too.

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Post by JamesBarney »

tptacek wrote: post #192

I'd like to hear an informed take from anybody who thinks that Facebook's fact-checkers were a better product feature than Community Notes. All of the articles I'm seeing about this online are ideological, but this feels like the kind of decision that should have been in the works for multiple quarters now, given how effective Notes have been, and how comically ineffective and off-putting fact-checkers have been. The…

Yeah I'd like to hear this too. I use both and I love community notes. People are pretending like this is some big culture war issue and a win for the right but I've seen community notes call out Elon for retweeting bullshit more times than I count. (As well as calling Jacobin our on there's)

I also appreciate that if I liked a post that community notes called out and I'm getting a notification that was misinformation.

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Post by saulpw »

autoexec wrote: post #230
WalterBright wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only one side was fact checked.

Was it the side that did the vast majority of the lying?

Yeah, the problem is that if one side tells 100 lies, and the other tells 1 lie, you can't correct all 100 lies, but if you only correct the most egregious lies then statistically you'll only be correcting the one side, and if you correct 1 lie from each side, then you make it seem like both sides lie equally. The Gish Gallop wins again.

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Post by EasyMark »

It would have been a perfect opportunity to -add- community notes and study which worked side by side and choose the better of the two, instead evidently Musk and Drump pulled Zuck aside and told him to shape up and join the billionaire oligarchs club or face the consequences of a partisan DoJ and SEC.

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Post by WalterBright »

techfeathers wrote: post #244
WalterBright wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trouble with fact checkers was quite evident in the Trump-Harris debate.

As a Harris supporter, I actually agree, I think it was way too heavy handed and hurt Harris more than helped. I’m not sure anymore what the goal of fact checking is (I’ve always felt it was somewhat dubious if not done extremely well).

Any fact checker is going to be inevitably biased. For a debate, there should be two fact checkers, each candidate gets to pick a fact checker.

That could lead to a debate between the fact checkers, which would derail the debate.

Better to not have fact checkers as part of the debate, and leave the fact checking to the post-debate analysis.

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Post by jjulius »

redserk wrote: post #249
kelseydh wrote: post #190

It's funny how facebook got so political all the normies left, then they downranked political content so much that the political people left too. Facebook is a ghost town now.

Going back even further, one of the initial draws of Instagram pre-acquisition was that you could escape the toxicity of trolls and other socially unproductive behavior on Facebook. Meta has a big problem coming up. They'll get to the point where they won't be able to hide Facebook and Instagram's lackluster appeal. I suspect we'll start seeing advertisers peel away, followed by a few savvy investors first. Let's jus…

>Let's just hope this doesn't trigger a market-wide correction.

My flippant, "I hate social media and think it was largely a mistake and needs to go away," view is to cheer for that correction. That said, I understand that I'm very biased here and might be ignorant.

Is there a reason I shouldn't cheer for such a correction?

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Post by davidw »

philwelch wrote: post #258
davidw wrote: post #212

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The ideological bits are: * Dana White added to the board. * "Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content." - like people being in Texas makes them more objective?! The actual mechanisms of running a social media network at scale are tricky and I think most of us would…

Austin is much closer to the center of mainstream American sentiment than the SF Bay Area, but it’s still to the left of center.

And Redding, California is far to the right of it.

It's just coded language for who they're going to favor, otherwise it makes no sense at all, as it's possible to find people of all political stripes in both states, as well as employees who would take their duty to stick to the facts very seriously.

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Post by EasyMark »

kelseydh wrote: post #190

It's funny how facebook got so political all the normies left, then they downranked political content so much that the political people left too. Facebook is a ghost town now.

Between that and people getting over constantly sharing what they did on vacation and what they cooked for breakfast or had at brunch, it is a lot quieter. At least Zuck chose to bring back political arguments as the mainstay right after the election rather than right before. It will be fairly quiet for a few years IF they keep up their efforts to limit Russian propaganda bots and don't add a bluecheck to promote them instead.

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Post by ethbr1 »

redserk wrote: post #249
kelseydh wrote: post #190

It's funny how facebook got so political all the normies left, then they downranked political content so much that the political people left too. Facebook is a ghost town now.

Going back even further, one of the initial draws of Instagram pre-acquisition was that you could escape the toxicity of trolls and other socially unproductive behavior on Facebook. Meta has a big problem coming up. They'll get to the point where they won't be able to hide Facebook and Instagram's lackluster appeal. I suspect we'll start seeing advertisers peel away, followed by a few savvy investors first. Let's jus…

Meta. Microsoft. Amazon. Google.

Every one of their core user value propositions is worse now than it was in the 00s.

And all of them by allowing revenue optimization by 1,000 cuts to whittle away customer centricity over time.

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Post by efdee »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #252
skillpass wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it “certainly a loss for users”? Many are likely to enjoy the ability to post without censorship on topics they care about.

Fact-checking and censorship are two very different things.

Indeed. This was more censorship than fact-checking.
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