while it's obviously fair to be very very wary of everything FB does, especially moderation, the other side of this is a worldwide campaign by the worst people alive to use these platforms to shape public opinion and poison our (ie at least the West's) culture to death.
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
The faster we decouple from societies like american, the better we europeans will be. We europeans defend our European way of life, against the degenerate capitalism of the US.
As an American who lived in Europe in the 90s when I was young, a lot that I really appreciated about the European way of life has deteriorated and is now almost unrecognizable to me in some ways. When I visit every few years, it amazes me how quickly Europe is “Americanizing”. More fast food and less traditional food. Ripping up vineyards that have been there for centuries. Fewer protections for your farmers. More p…
Comments like this are interesting because the changes you’re describing aren’t really “Americanizing”, they’re just a sign of modern times.
For example: People weren’t walking around staring at their cellphones in Europe in the 90s because they were distinctly European. It was because we didn’t have smartphones anywhere. The smartphone changes happened in lockstep across the globe.
Likewise, many of your other points are purely people’s personal preferences. I think your criticisms are largely nostalgia for the 90s and your time spent living abroad, not an indictment of “Americanizing” Europe.
Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model
#113Mark has looked at what has happened to Twitter since Musk took over, a notable decline in activity and value… and decided he wants a piece of that? Musk is begging people on Twitter to post more positive content, as it devolves into 4chan-lite. If Musk’s ideological experiment with Twitter had proven the idea that you can have a pleasant to use website without any moderation then Mark’s philosophical 180 would at le…
> Mark has looked at what has happened to Twitter since Musk took over, a notable decline in activity and value… and decided he wants a piece of that?
Hell yes he does, Twitter helped Musk get a seat at the table with Trump and the ability to influence US policy decisions at an unprecedented level. Zuck craves power and sees sucking up to the incoming administration as an easy path to get more of it.
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#114What I think I just read is that content moderation is complicated, error-prone, and expensive. So Meta is going to do a lot less of it. They'll let you self-moderate via a new community notes system, similar to what X does. I think this is a big win for Meta, because it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represent…
The pressure has just shifted from being applied by the left to the right. There is still censorship on Twitter, it is just the people Elon doesn't like who are getting censored. The same will happen on Facebook. Zuckerberg has been cozying up to Trump for a reason.
fb has been censoring left wing stuff and leaving fascists be since several years. This is just "like before, but even more" I think.
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#115Zuck claims "Europe has an ever increasing number of laws,institutionalizing censorship and making difficult to build something innovative" Ouch. As a European, I feel very wary of such a sentence and the implications. Time for Europe to wake up ? (edit: fix typos)
What he means is "I can't 100% control what news people get to read, and that's bad"
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are awake. We should decouple ourselves from the tech giants on the other side of the pond. They don't have our best interests in mind.
I'm not sure that we are awake. As a dev for a long time, I realized only 6 months ago, that all the tools I use daily are directly from US. My job and my life would be very very different without this technology. We are loosing ground, or more, we are falling down more and more quickly.
What tools? The ones I use are done from people all over the world, certainly not predominantly in USA.
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#117I read this as Zuck kneeling to the new king and first lady (Musk).
I highly doubt these changes were not influenced (forced?) by them.
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#118Community notes seems to be quite well received. I like that the algorithm seems to be public and (IIUC) tamper-evident.
The obvious context is that either Meta gets out of the content moderation game voluntarily, or the incoming admin goes to war with them.
> focusing our enforcement on illegal and high-severity violations.
I imagine this will in practice determine how far they can go in the EU. Community notes, sure. No moderation? Maybe not.
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#119I’m less concerned by the change of fact checking to community notes, because meta had often neutered the ability of their fact checkers anyway. What I am concerned about is their allowance of political content again. Between genocides and misinformation campaigns, meta has shown that the idea of the town square does not scale. Not with their complete abandonment of any kind of responsibility to the social construct…
> the idea of the town square does not scale.
Completely agree. Instead of one giant town square ("Facebook") what we would benefit from are 1000 smaller ones ("Facebook competitors") and some way to "travel" between them. That is a smaller more human scale that can be responsibly governed. It does not create hyper-billionaires though.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s lots of mainstream media content I think is psychologically harmful and should be suppressed, such as content normalizing adultery. But I’m quite content to live in a society where the social norm favors people saying what they want and the burden is on the opponents of that to produce strong evidence of harm.
Convenient that only your debate opponents need provide reproducible studies that meet your standards.
No, this is the “presumed innocent until proven guilty” principle.