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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

yodsanklai wrote: post #248
abeppu wrote: post #159

I'm close to someone who teaches at a university, and they're making heavy use of in-room essays written in blue books. This ensures that the work is purely the students, but I think it also has the side-effect that the grader is also working manually. I kinda think maybe at earlier levels, most homework should be moved into the classroom and done on paper anyway? What's the point of homework if they're not going to…

> This ensures that the work is purely the students I don't know in the US, but in my part of the world, teachers have always assumed that anything that isn't done in person in front of an examiner has not value because students do cheat or get help. Maybe you would get a bit of extra-credits for the homework and that's it. And for high-stake competitive exams, it's 100% in-person.

How does that work with disability accommodations for students that have to be at home?

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by sureglymop »

I also have young relatives who are using this technology (a bit older though, teenagers). One problematic thing I see is not knowing just how inaccurate these answers are. Somehow many people just assume complete correctness and accuracy because that's how they think of or have been primed to think of technology. Of course, the marketing and hype when it comes to AI doesn't help.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

fivelorn wrote: post #422
itishappy wrote: post #268

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I think a better question is what we do about it, because (like alcohol) I'd assume that parents and teachers by themselves are entirely out of their depths here. I suspect it will take some type of sweeping societal change like we've started seeing with cell phone bans in schools.

In the old days, when we decided something was bad for society at large, we'd handle it with laws. How quaint.

And the incoming Cabinet has a collective net worth 3000x greater than the current Cabinet.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by TZubiri »

Terr_ wrote: post #440
TZubiri wrote: post #405

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> 3. That software engineers actually control/own enough of everything to pull that "trigger" unilaterally. Either you misunderstand the quote, or you haven't read the book or watched the series. George Martin's central motif of what power really is doesn't have a definite answer, several characters propose different theories, in this case Varys poses more of a question than an answer. You might say that the AI holds…

I slogged through the ~4,000+ pages of the 5 books--not that I consider myself a fan at this late date--and the subtext of my post was: "I don't think that thought-experiment maps usefully to anything around us right now, it barely did for the characters in a medieval fantasy." All models are wrong, some are useful, I don't think this one is that useful, unless some researcher has a Technological Singularity in a Bot…

" unless some researcher has a Technological Singularity in a Bottle somewhere."

But the model is that no one person holds all of the power? That power is many things at once and held by many people? Both in the book and in reality, matches to me.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

travisporter wrote: post #390
wngr wrote: post #321

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I totally agree with you, but those shows are not what parent means.

Yeah agreed. Really a ton of kids with tablets everytime I go out for dinner

Restaurants is a few places where a tablet is a godsend. Children aren't always involved in adults conversations, so they get (obviously) bored at the table. A tablet guarantees some time off to the parents.

Now obviously is a problem if you go to the restaurant often, in our case it's once every few months and having them watching a movie makes going to the restaurant possible again (we waited 6 years before we could)

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #313
bestouff wrote: post #256

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I'm rising 3 kids (in France, I don't know if it changes much). We have banned TV, very heavily restricted phones, and we closely follow homework. I'm persuaded it makes a difference wrt parents that don't do that, but somehow isn't a sure fire way of being a "great parent".

I don't know how that helps. Watching TV with my kid has been the best way to teach him I've found. There are great videos and shows that you can watch together and then discuss afterwords. Baking videos. Chemistry. Physics. History. Seeing something on TV is great way to fire up the imagination and inspiration for real world activities.

Could you recommend some? This sounds great!

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by mnky9800n »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #450
AlotOfReading wrote: post #339

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Bread machines exist. They produce acceptable bread. Do you train a good baker by giving them a bread machine? Can you even be a good baker if the only bread you've ever eaten is white loaves from a bread machine? LLM are a tool that has to be guided by human experience. It's really hard to do that if you don't have experience outside LLMs.

Do you train a good copy typist by giving them a xerox copy machine? Can you even be a good copy typist if the only documents you've ever copied is from a xerox machine? No and nobody cares because copy typists don't exist any more.

But xerox machines are good at their jobs compared to LLMs
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