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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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insane_dreamer wrote: post #40
clejack wrote: post #12

There's some grim humor in the fact that the poster reflects on his sister's use of chatgpt, and just ends on that point. I have to wonder if he decided to talk to her or his parents about the situation. I didn't see anything in the post to suggest it, just a "this next generation is cooked." Who cooked them is the question? Children won't raise themselves generally.

> Who cooked them is the question? Children won't raise themselves generally. Technology access is pretty ubiquitous, and genAI is pushed everywhere just like social media, so that big tech can make more $B. Very hard to escape it even as an 11 year old unless the parents are very vigilant and active in restricting it, which if both parents are working is hard to do plus they have to contend with a _lot_ of push back…

"Who cooked them?", he pondered, on the HN post situated between "I built a robot waifu with ChatGPT" and "Here's why it's okay to kill the bottom 10% of the workforce".

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by fivelorn »

itishappy wrote: post #268
itishappy wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who cooked them is the question? Children won't raise themselves generally. Society. Parents, schools, whatever technology kids are exposed to (so, all of it). We've had 4 years of literally every form of media pushing AI as the solution to all life's problems. Is it really so surprising that our youth looks to AI for the solution to their problems? I think it's extremely optimistic to expect this can be addressed…

I think a better question is what we do about it, because (like alcohol) I'd assume that parents and teachers by themselves are entirely out of their depths here. I suspect it will take some type of sweeping societal change like we've started seeing with cell phone bans in schools.

In the old days, when we decided something was bad for society at large, we'd handle it with laws. How quaint.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by fivelorn »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #106

My 13 y/o was lamenting something the other day and it turns out that she had written a paper and pasted it into ChatGPT and asked it to grade the paper and it returned a "B+". She was using GPT to basically pre-check the quality of her paper before submitting it after having actually written it herself. But it occurred to me that there are probably teachers out there who are taking the lazy route of using GPT to gra…

Did giving teachers guns and reducing their salaries not fix it?

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by fivelorn »

Peacefulz wrote: post #3

I'm not trying to justify, or infer here, but I read recently that around 20% of American adults are functionally illiterate. https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019179/index.asp I wonder how LLMs are going to affect these metrics.

You need to be able to read to use an LLM (the second "L" is particularly salient).

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by fivelorn »

zamadatix wrote: post #76
nottorp wrote: post #4

Waiting for those people who post the "how do you use LLMS for X" questions on HN to come here and explain how this is a good thing.

I see it more like calculators. Using a calculator isn't inherently good or bad in itself. If you're using a calculator to fake learning the intuitions and mechanics of division on your math homework then that's bad - regardless of how many other good use cases for calculators can be talked about in a separate context.

Except calculators actually do something useful and return the correct results, a crucial departure from the functionality of LLMs.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by fivelorn »

satvikpendem wrote: post #382
ibejoeb wrote: post #132

> she uses chatgpt on my account Don't let her do that. Blows my mind that this one weird trick isn't suggested in the top 100 comments.

How does that solve anything? She'll just use it on her own account... At least this way OP was able to see what their sister was up to.

Because as we all know, if you can't do something perfectly every time, you might as well not even try.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by fivelorn »

mmooss wrote: post #211
BadHumans wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are past that point. People will accept anything without resistance.

They haven't accepted Covid vaccinations, immigration, the election of Joe Biden, ... . The world has a long history of people determining their fate and not accepting things. It's just one political group that has embraced quitting and despair - they are laughable.

Who could possibly be miserable amidst disease and authoritarianism?

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by fivelorn »

TZubiri wrote: post #403
mherrmann wrote: post #66

Let's dig deeper. Level 0: this is bad. Level -1: The teaching methods need to change. Level -2: It's a glimpse into all of our future, not just children. Level -3: Who controls the AI controls the world.

>Who controls the AI controls the world. Is this any different than the previous tech booms (or any industrial revolution for that matter). The US developed and exported almost all of the consumer (Google, Microsoft, Facebook) and infrastructural software (IP, Verisign, Linux). The US domination through software is so normalized that the limit of these imports by highly sovereign countries are seen as dangerous or in…

I mean, kinda, in that today's tech leaders consider themselves god-kings, and not, like... people who sell word processing CDs at Circuit City.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Zak wrote: post #172

When I was in elementary school, my teachers told me it was very important to memorize multiplication tables because I wouldn't always have a calculator in my pocket. We know how that turned out. I asked an LLM the first example question (convert 3 minutes to seconds), and it provided not just the answer, but that there are 60 seconds per minutes, so that's 3 * 60 = 180. I don't think an 11 year old is harmed by that…

I'm so sick of this trope. The point of numeracy is not in case you're suddenly caught without a calculator, although longhand arithmetic is definitely a good skill to possess.
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