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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by achierius »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #385
moduspwnens14 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My daughter is only 1 and a half years old now, but my concern is more that she'll be implicitly competing with classmates that are using tools like this, whether we allow her to use them or not.

Competing with what? Homework is usually the minority of grade weight in almost every course and college entrance is largely based on entrance exams. Using AI to cheat on homework only cheats the students ability to complete and exam, let alone an entrance exam. People act as if cheating on homework is new with LLms. It’s not. The homework is there to guide you towards the exam, and exams are generally proctored to p…

> college entrance is largely based on entrance exams

Not in the US it isn't. Grades > Exams > Extracurriculars is the usual hierarchy.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by ruraljuror »

dcchambers wrote: post #219

I think one thing few are willing to admit is that a large blame for this can be placed on disinterested parents. Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. When kids are at home, parents should be involved in the learning process. You don't have to be a helicopter and monitor everything, but you should take interest in the work your child is doing. If you check in at least onc…

Not sure if there is more context within the subreddit, but I don't see much here to blame on the parents. Which parents? These specific ones or in general? Parents are basically responsible for everything for a child except when they're not and they often get that wrong too. A 5th grader is ratted out by her brother for cheating on her homework using artificial intelligence: I guess Mom & Dad are now also the household AI sleuth.

No, I won't admit blame, but I sure do hope for my and my children's sake that parents start figuring this out. Perhaps the artificial intelligence could think twice before helping a 5th grader cheat?

So what should the parents be blamed for here? Giving unsupervised access to AI? Failing to educate their child? I lean toward the former in the form of age gating. While I acknowledge that these corporations themselves have the ethicists (not sure of the degree of involvement from pedagogical experts), I don't think we can trust them when it comes to kids. For as much as we hear Mira Morati say AI will revolutionize education with personalized tutors, we get a post like this. Sadly, the stakes are more dire. The kid who committed suicide after the fantasy AI chatbot conversation seemed to have a pretty involved mother.

We already had one guineau-pig generation with social media, but AI ups the ante; and I think more should be done to keep it out of the hands of children. But the cat is out of the bag, so now it is mostly up to parents individually and politically.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by hb53821 »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #355
hb53821 wrote: post #335

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Super interesting idea. I don't have a ChatGPT account otherwise I'd try this myself but can someone try this question from the article, "how many hours are there in 1 day and 7 hours?" with and without the prompt? I'm very curious if it has any effect on the result.

I tried with API and got: Let's think about this together! How many hours are there in just one day? Once you've got that, you can easily add the extra 7 hours to find the total. As a hint, think about how time relates to your day-to-day activities. For instance, if you have a figure skating practice that lasts for hours, how would that fit into your daily schedule? How do you keep track of time during those days? Th…

Thanks!

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by K0balt »

dcchambers wrote: post #219

I think one thing few are willing to admit is that a large blame for this can be placed on disinterested parents. Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. When kids are at home, parents should be involved in the learning process. You don't have to be a helicopter and monitor everything, but you should take interest in the work your child is doing. If you check in at least onc…

This exactly. But now disinterested parents have a new threat that will allow them to imagine that their kids are fine when in fact they are on their way to debilitating ignorance.

On the other hand, pervasive reliance on ChatGPT by the greater part of a generation or two, globally, is going to be great for subscription revenues. Let me call my broker.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by TZubiri »

Peacefulz wrote: post #3

I'm not trying to justify, or infer here, but I read recently that around 20% of American adults are functionally illiterate. https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019179/index.asp I wonder how LLMs are going to affect these metrics.

The US must be one of the few countries were the concept of movies with subtitles doesn't exist.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by TZubiri »

physicsguy wrote: post #38
jmclnx wrote: post #7

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I also saw an article on here that to me that seems to support your statement: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42609948 I also have a relative going for a PHD, he says many times for the classes he teaches, students are using AI for their homework. He has brought that up may times to his superiors but the response tends to be "oh well". Sad world we may be heading towards :(

When I taught a class of engineering students Python in 2015 they were all copying from each other, did some basic plagiarism checks and 40% had submitted identical code. The University then didn’t care, lots of international students paying higher fees than domestic students.

If you consider that plagiarism it's a bit overzealous. Definitely not in the same league as asking chatgpt to solve for you.

Working with or seeking information from colleagues is a valid and essential part of university.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by TZubiri »

stevemadere wrote: post #329

I guess this signals the end of focusing on testing to prove one's "rank" as a student and actually start focusing on educating students rather than evaluating them. The whole problem with factory mass-education is the almost exclusive focus on evaluation. A little bit of education happens as a side-effect of the unrelenting soul-crushing evaluation so we've put up with it and called it education for 100 years. ChatG…

Cost is a huge factor. Asking a student to write what 7+8 is on a sheet of paper is a cheap substitute of high quality math education.

Not saying that this is the case in OP, it's very likely that the teacher will eventually catch up to the fact that a kid with A on their homework isn't quite a math genius. The same systems that would catch a child being aided by parents or cheating would catch this anomaly.

Teachers are a well trained profession after all.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by TZubiri »

redcobra762 wrote: post #143
nottorp wrote: post #4

Waiting for those people who post the "how do you use LLMS for X" questions on HN to come here and explain how this is a good thing.

Would you be upset if in the 70s you found out your sister was using a calculator to check her math homework?

Calculators in the 70s were a huge subject of debate and there were precise rulings, standard models, definitions and codes of ethics around them. It didn't just solve itself.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by TZubiri »

satvikpendem wrote: post #386
ibejoeb wrote: post #384

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Well 1) she's 11 years old and is ineligible to create her own account and 2) she needs a credit card, which is pretty easy to control.

ChatGPT is free without the need for a credit card. Age restrictions don't actually stop kids from making accounts.

"The shit version of chatgpt is free"

Fixed that for you. And it will get shittier as investment dries up and the pressure to monetize increases.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by TZubiri »

Version467 wrote: post #35

I know that having parents who cared about my education (and were in a position to actively participate in it) was a privilege and not a given, but where are the parents in this situation? Do we just accept that an 11 year-old watches squid game, has unrestricted access to chatgpt and does all their school work without any oversight at all? Clearly this kid is not receiving the guidance it needs. Or any guidance real…

Unrestricted access to the internet might occur much earlier than 11 in the life of a child, at age 2 many children are given tablets with youtube videos or videogames, it's all a slow transition from there.

The tablet doesn't work so you let them watch youtube on the PC They find some games on the PC They get bored of the games of the PC so they pirate some cool games They get sophisticated in removing DRM so they install linux They become programmers or influencers.

It's the pipeline that we know of, but there's probably a lot of pipelines into influencers, gamblers, onlyfans models, brainrot consumers, etc...

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