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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.

Is there only one engineering firm in Canada ?

I guess you’re trying to say there is no money there because of Trudeau ?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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> Trudeau, who is now answering questions from reporters, said his one regret of his premiership has been his failure to introduce electoral reform. Oh please, you had lots of time to address this and instead you've just handed us to the conservatives.

I wonder if he could still do it last minute. Like could we switch to proportional representation in the last months? It’d be a better system and may even (cynically) help his own party in the next election so there’d be some incentive.

They don't want proportional representation. If they did, they would have had it. Trudeau killed the electoral reform committee precisely because the NDP and Bloc insisted the would only accept PR and not Ranked Ballots (Trudeau's preference) and the Conservatives would prefer no change at all.

PR would force the Liberals to co-govern in coalition with the NDP basically forever. They don't want it. Their enthusiasm for Ranked Ballots is for the opposite reason: they realize they are the 2nd choice of "most" Canadians (or were until the last few months...). Given that, and the near-extinction event they suffered pre-2015 and the rise of Trudeau II, you can understand why they'd prefer that...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Investigations and penalties for everyone up the chain, starting with the frontline officers who were on the ground refusing to issue tickets. If an officer chooses to not do their job over their political beliefs they do not belong on the force.

Absolutely. I'm a paramedic. I will be in front of a licensing hearing defending why should be allowed to continue as a paramedic to the DOH if I refuse to treat a patient because of politics/beliefs, as an EMS provider. Depending on the severity, I can even be facing administrative charges of patient abandonment under my state's Administrative Code for standards of care for providers.

"Over politics" does some legwork for you here as does the singling out of you vs the entire cadre of EMS.

Consider it, instead, that the police, as a whole, joined the protest which also had a decent amount of support from the populous.

That's a far cry from one person refusing to do their job with very little (almost none) support from the populous, as your analogy would be.

If it was a single cop refusing to arrest a Nazi for a crime because they agreed with them, that cop would be fired.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Unemployment during his term besides covid was at record lows and still below the historic average of 7.5%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/808294/unemployment-rate...

He increased size of Federal government by 43% since 2015 - from Grok: "By March 31, 2024, the federal government's payroll included 367,772 employees, up from 257,034 in 2015." That's 110,738 new people on pay roll - but not that are actually productive for the economy, they are counted but are not the same as free market jobs - they're actually the opposite and a negative to the economy. This also doesn't account f…

You’re conflating separate issues here—federal employment growth, economic productivity, and temporary foreign workers (TFWs)—in an attempt to overwhelm the conversation.

First off, the claim of ‘millions of TFWs’ is pure hyperbole. TFWs currently make up around 4.1% of the workforce [1], or roughly 1.1M workers—not ‘millions.’ Ironically, if TFWs are such a large share of the workforce, the federal job increase (~110,000) seems even less significant by comparison.

And it’s odd that Grok is used to cite federal employment numbers, but you conveniently ignore its data on TFWs or international students, who are key contributors to Canada’s economy. Cherry-picking data like this only distracts from the real issues.

[1] https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/7457-temporary-foreign-...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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I don’t know why they couldn’t do the friggen obvious move of asking the police to unblock the roads by force, and impounding the vehicles for repeat offences. Going after bank accounts was a coward move that never made sense. If I just sat down in the middle of a subway tunnel, I would be removed by force immediately, no matter what I was protesting. They created problems for themselves by not doing the obvious solu…

Thing is, the federal government does not have the power to "ask the police" to do anything. That's obviously by design and part of the demarcation of powers we expect from a democracy. The accusations of authoritarianism would have been just as drastic (I think?) if the PM had stood up and tried to call the RCMP or Ottawa police / OPP to task for their inaction and so on. Sibling commenter is right: the police shoul…

> Thing is, the federal government does not have the power to "ask the police" to do anything.

Wut?

The RCMP reports to Parliament up through the Public Safety minister. The bucks stops with the PM.

The federal government has not only the right but the obligation to hold the RCMP accountable.

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I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

I live in Ottawa. We were failed by all levels of government, our police services, and our intelligence services. The convoy drove across the country, broadcasting their intentions on social media. Yet, everyone acted shocked when they did exactly what they said they were going to do. I hesitate to call them protesters because I don't think they had a permit or a cohesive message beside F* Trudeau, but they were comp…

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.

I have a friend who did something similar about 15 years ago. They are moving back to Canada this year.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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>but when nothing else works sometimes you have to get out the big guns. Isn't that why you have the police, army, etc? You use force to remove those people breaking the laws, not go after their families. That's some USSR shit.

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> Police refused to do their jobs.

I think this is better framed as "joined the protest", from the perspective of the police. As a US analogy, sanctuary cities or states with "legalized" marijuana have police who are refusing to do their job. Should thenfederal government freeze the accounta of police officers until they do?

If the thing your doing is causing such unrest, perhaps the government shouldn't be doing that thing.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

It's absolutely astounding that there have not been harsher consequences for the police who abandoned their duty in Ottawa. Where is the of rule of law here?

People don’t seem to understand that the government rules based on enough popular support.

When the police start siding with protestors that’s a government problem, not police problem.

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