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Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by sbuttgereit »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #158
sbuttgereit wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but the economics currently don't favor YouTube caring enough to solve this sort of problem In fact, everything aligns to incentivize them not to care: making the barrier to make a successful claim higher and the larger rights-holders start to cause problems; the cost of seriously adjudicating claims is substantial and may well be unsustainable. The consequences of bad policy are also quite low for them: mos…

YouTube doesn't have to adjudicate anything. They just have to demote the known bad actors to using the real DMCA process rather than their own system. They can still make a claim under penalty of perjury with a takedown but that won't count as a strike.

There's actually a lot of history (going back at least as far as 2007) that led to the current situation where the DMCA is not the process. In fairness to YouTube, they had significant legal pressure back in the day, including suits and credible threats thereof to go beyond the DMCA... which is exactly what they did.

We can speculate to if the current situation is the natural conclusion of those agreements with major IP holders, or if they simply got religion and now embrace those practices... but at least historically, it wasn't simply management discretion which started them on this path.

I don't dispute there are things they can, and should do, nor do I dispute that their current management of the problem sucks.... but it's not quite as simple as just taking a decision to abide by the DMCA as-is.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by ninju »

tivert wrote: post #37
wil421 wrote: post #5

The year is 2030. After the AI bot wars, FaceBook and Google have been crippled. They let AI automation control their content and it was deleted after OpenAI GPT10 discovered vulnerabilities in automated copyright strikes. Taco Bell won the franchise war and is the only restaurant remaining.

> Taco Bell won the franchise war and is the only restaurant remaining. When I saw that movie when I was small, I thought that was literally Taco Bell, McDonald's, and Burger King, et al fighting with tanks, etc. Taco Bell emerged victorious after a bloody struggle.

For those that need more context

From the movie Demolition Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlcDHlK_RoY

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by ninju »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #243
wil421 wrote: post #5

The year is 2030. After the AI bot wars, FaceBook and Google have been crippled. They let AI automation control their content and it was deleted after OpenAI GPT10 discovered vulnerabilities in automated copyright strikes. Taco Bell won the franchise war and is the only restaurant remaining.

> Taco Bell won the franchise war and is the only restaurant remaining. Foe those who don't know - which included myself until about 30 seconds ago - this is a reference to the 1993 film Demolition Man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlcDHlK_RoY

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by toomuchtodo »

janalsncm wrote: post #210
toomuchtodo wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you comparing a federal labor regulatory agency to ad payments that exist at the whim of a commercial entity?

This makes it sound like this is an overt decision by YouTube to stop monetizing a 3B1B video rather than an abuse of automated systems. The difference is important. Whether creators should depend on YouTube as a practical matter is different from whether they should be able to. As a practical matter, yes, diversifying is safer. But creators and YouTube probably agree that diversifying shouldn’t be necessary. Of cour…

> This makes it sound like this is an overt decision by YouTube to stop monetizing a 3B1B video rather than an abuse of automated systems. The difference is important.

There is no difference. Google's overt decision to continue operating automated systems that enable this abuse is the cause, and that is unlikely to change because Google does not care. It is cheaper to allow abuse than to change their system (more human intervention and effort). "The purpose of the system is what it does."

If you as a creator decide to operate on a platform where the owner has no intention of changing their automated systems, and therefore this is a potential outcome, you are playing Russian roulette with your income stream (if any). That is a choice. Your income could disappear at any time with no recourse. There is no social contract at play between creators and Google, only Google optimizing for its shareholders.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by pessimizer »

daveguy wrote: post #190

Just a friendly heads up. Anyone who wants to avoid Twitter, since it has become so toxic, can use the domain xcancel.com in place of twitter.com or x.com. like so: https://xcancel.com/3blue1brown/status/1876291319955398799 This links to independent Nitter to provide a full thread.

Not a great idea to post nitter links any more in public forums. The (very few) instances that are left are using small pools of private accounts, and get saturated to uselessness quickly. And especially to big forums like this, that have been known to take down fairly robust sites.

Don't kill what's left of nitter in order to make a pointless statement about twitter being "toxic."

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by pessimizer »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #249
daveguy wrote: post #190

Just a friendly heads up. Anyone who wants to avoid Twitter, since it has become so toxic, can use the domain xcancel.com in place of twitter.com or x.com. like so: https://xcancel.com/3blue1brown/status/1876291319955398799 This links to independent Nitter to provide a full thread.

I was surprised to see this here, because I remembered I recently added 3blue1brown on bsky: https://bsky.app/profile/3blue1brown.bsky.social ...but he only posted this to Twitter. Not his own blog, nor bsky, not to his Patreon, or to Reddit - only Twitter. Nitter is always just going to be an echo of Twitter. Discord and Reddit and HN and a personal blog serve different purposes. Bsky and Mastodon and the rest (incl…

> Nitter is always just going to be an echo of Twitter.

Nitter is not going to be an echo of twitter, it was a proxy for twitter, and it's already dead.

> Bsky and Mastodon and the rest (including Threads) are doomed to never become the next Twitter unless we can get people to start changing their habits.

Why should anyone be concerned about that? None of the above have shown themselves to be any better stewards of anything than twitter has. They're all objectively mediocre options, (including twitter) and personally identifying with any of them is silly.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by ninju »

adolph wrote: post #206
RobertDeNiro wrote: post #23

from https://x.com/ChainPatrol/status/1876300596182983151 " Hello! This was a false positive in our systems at @ChainPatrol . We are retracting the takedown request, and will conduct a full post-mortem to ensure this does not happen again. We have been combatting a huge volume of fake YouTube videos that are attempting to steal user funds. Unfortunately, in our mission to protect users from scams, false positives (ve…

I think https://chainpatrol.io/ is fake. Look at things like the "legal terms." To make a DCMA (US Law) counterclaim, they want "a statement that you consent to the jurisdiction of the Province of Ontario." [0] If you are unsatisfied with our services, please email us at [EMAIL ADDRESS] and we will address your concerns in a prompt and timely manner. [0] 0. https://chainpatrol.io/legal/terms See also "Fake AI law fir…

They did not even update the "legal terms" page to include a real email address :-(

(I first thought that you redacted in your post)

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by johnneville »

RobertDeNiro wrote: post #23

from https://x.com/ChainPatrol/status/1876300596182983151 " Hello! This was a false positive in our systems at @ChainPatrol . We are retracting the takedown request, and will conduct a full post-mortem to ensure this does not happen again. We have been combatting a huge volume of fake YouTube videos that are attempting to steal user funds. Unfortunately, in our mission to protect users from scams, false positives (ve…

would be nice to see some punishment or compensation. apologizing and retracting the claim doesn't make the victim whole again.

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Post by lupusreal »

tivert wrote: post #37
wil421 wrote: post #5

The year is 2030. After the AI bot wars, FaceBook and Google have been crippled. They let AI automation control their content and it was deleted after OpenAI GPT10 discovered vulnerabilities in automated copyright strikes. Taco Bell won the franchise war and is the only restaurant remaining.

> Taco Bell won the franchise war and is the only restaurant remaining. When I saw that movie when I was small, I thought that was literally Taco Bell, McDonald's, and Burger King, et al fighting with tanks, etc. Taco Bell emerged victorious after a bloody struggle.

It's been along time since I read it, but IIRC Jennifer Government has that. Fast food chains lobbing missiles at each other.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by NegativeK »

thereddaikon wrote: post #229
mmastrac wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abusing the DMCA to take down videos stealing user funds seems... questionable.

Nice that they are admitting to perjury on twitter like that.

As other threads have pointed out, Google's copyright violation system is a process that's private. It's before the DMCA laws get involved.

So maybe it's a ToS violation?

(This isn't defending the person issuing copyright strikes. Their behavior, right or wrong, just isn't perjury. I think. Good thing I'm not anyone's lawyer.)

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