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Whistleblower Binney says the NSA has dossiers on nearly every US citizen

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This seems rather mercantilist. There are many island nations with little natural resources and little capacity for offensive intelligence gathering which are quite wealthy through trade alone.

I think here you're assuming wealth was the limited resource referred to, were it might be other things.

I can't think of something they can justifiably compete over, except security, in which case it's only jusitifable when the other party is initiating threats.

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If you really think this is the result of the right wing politicians you're kidding yourself.

I'd even claim that the left wing has a greater propensity to engage in this conduct, albeit more subtly. For example, one side effect of the Affordable Care Act is the federal government knowing which Americans have health insurance. While this doesn't prove they have access to your health records, it's nevertheless troubling that they have direct evidence of whether you're insured (and whether it's ``Cadillac'' ins…

Sheesh, really? You're going to bring the Affordable Care Act into this? If wanting every citizen to have access to affordable health care and insurance and spreading the costs is some subtle way of intruding into their privacy, then I guess all they want to do is spy on you...

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If this is true doesn't it mean that Bin Laden won the war on terror? Every time I go to the airport I think this. Those full body scanners? Thanks to Bin Laden, now you practically get strip searched for every flight. You have to take off your shoes. You cannot take drinks on a plane. You then have everyone on edge no matter where you go. You and a friend play CounterStrike. You get on the bus and start talking abou…

there was an interesting discussion on this on reddit -

"technically Osama bin Laden himself stated that 9/11 was to wake up the american people, to commit an act so harsh towards actual Americans, that they would say "why me" and then research the situation.."

Poster then links to the source quotes from Osama where he explains his motives and reasons. Interesting read, if only for the direct quotes, which are pretty essential for this discussion. Until he linked it, I never realized how strange it was that these discussions happen all the time, without many people actually being able to pull up the source material.

Link to source: http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/wcpls/this_i_my_friends...

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I'd be quite positive that these "dossiers" are compiled specifically to correlate HUMAN->SN->DL|Criminal Record|[ONLINE WEDSITE]USER_NAME I am positive that the NSAs current charter is to associate the real people to the virtual AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS. So, with all that said - I have met and talked with a range of NSA personalities and they are the blackest of the black hats. DO NOT TRUST.

This would have lacked any credibility whatsoever if it weren't for the caps.

Or sources: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/04/att_assisting_...

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Math is fun! You can buy a 2 TB HD for $99.99 right now. The population of the United States is 311,591,917. That's 7057 bytes per citizen, for a penny under a Franklin. The Complete Works of William Shakespeare can be downloaded from Project Gutenberg in EPUB format, in 2.3 MB. Therefore, if you wanted to have William Shakespeare write as much text about every single citizen in the United States, as he wrote in all…

While you make a good point, your end number is wildly inaccurate.

1) I highly doubt the NSA is buying $100 dollar low grade hard drives. I bet this data is backed up at least twice per site, at multiple sites.

2) The data is not unstructured, it will be structured in some sort of database. Storing your facebook photos alone will be potentially hundreds of megabytes.

3) I doubt NSA is spending it's entire budget every year on hard drives.

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Math is fun! You can buy a 2 TB HD for $99.99 right now. The population of the United States is 311,591,917. That's 7057 bytes per citizen, for a penny under a Franklin. The Complete Works of William Shakespeare can be downloaded from Project Gutenberg in EPUB format, in 2.3 MB. Therefore, if you wanted to have William Shakespeare write as much text about every single citizen in the United States, as he wrote in all…

Storing the text is easy - deciding what text is relevant enough to store is hard.

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Sure, they have all data about someone. But, what is the use? It is like searching a needle in a haystack.

""If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." - Cardinal Richelieu

What if every sentence began with - "Hypothetically speaking"

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I think soon people will realize that the only defense against this kind of data collection (and it's subsequent uses - which grow more powerful everyday) is to record your own life and know the same (if not more than) what governments and corporations know about you.

How will that work as a defense?

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Math is fun! You can buy a 2 TB HD for $99.99 right now. The population of the United States is 311,591,917. That's 7057 bytes per citizen, for a penny under a Franklin. The Complete Works of William Shakespeare can be downloaded from Project Gutenberg in EPUB format, in 2.3 MB. Therefore, if you wanted to have William Shakespeare write as much text about every single citizen in the United States, as he wrote in all…

While you make a good point, your end number is wildly inaccurate. 1) I highly doubt the NSA is buying $100 dollar low grade hard drives. I bet this data is backed up at least twice per site, at multiple sites. 2) The data is not unstructured, it will be structured in some sort of database. Storing your facebook photos alone will be potentially hundreds of megabytes. 3) I doubt NSA is spending it's entire budget ever…

Yes, that's why I quite carefully said, "Every year, the NSA COULD..."

Emphasis on the COULD. It's to emphasize how cheap storage is, and how relatively few U.S. Citizens there are. In our day-to-day lives, we think 311 Million is an enormous number. But in the scale of computing, it's actually quite small.

My real point is: storing the data is no longer a challenge. If you want someone (businesses, governments, etc.) to not store data about every citizen of the U.S., you need laws, regulations, and checks and balances.

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Math is fun! You can buy a 2 TB HD for $99.99 right now. The population of the United States is 311,591,917. That's 7057 bytes per citizen, for a penny under a Franklin. The Complete Works of William Shakespeare can be downloaded from Project Gutenberg in EPUB format, in 2.3 MB. Therefore, if you wanted to have William Shakespeare write as much text about every single citizen in the United States, as he wrote in all…

Storing the text is easy - deciding what text is relevant enough to store is hard.

If you had the NSA's budget, you probably wouldn't need to decide what text is relevant to store.
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