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Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by throw310822 »

btown wrote: post #164

One of the reasons that copyright processes are so biased towards traditional rightsholders and against individual creators is that the latter group is simultaneously captive to the platform and unorganized/decentralized; YouTube needs licenses and goodwill from, say, Universal, far more than it needs 3blue1brown individually. And the incentives for rectifying this are skewed: video platforms simply need to address i…

The state of content producers (including app developers) on the internet today is the same as that of factory workers in the industrial revolution. Everyone's work is immediately replaceable with that of someone else, who is more than willing to step in to take the spot. Workers solved that with unions that can coordinate the workers' actions.

In concrete terms, a content-creators union might act as a middleman who is able to make all the contents from all its members simultaneously and immediately unavailable on the targeted platforms until some agreement is met or either side gives up.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by infinitesoup »

krisoft wrote: post #87
blendergeek wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We have been combatting a huge volume of fake YouTube videos that are attempting to steal user funds. Unfortunately, in our mission to protect users from scams, false positives (very) occasionally slip through. So did ChainPatrol have the video taken down for copyright infringement or for "attempting to steal user funds"? Did ChainPatrol have to file an actual DMCA takedown notice to take down 3Blue1Brown's video?…

> Did ChainPatrol have to file an actual DMCA takedown notice to take down 3Blue1Brown's video? Probably not. Youtube has their own system which is not DMCA claim based.

Sounds like he got a copyright strike, which means a DMCA takedown, not a Content ID claim.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7002106

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by ysavir »

tibbon wrote: post #35
ysavir wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't this mean that the only people able to make claims in the first place are people with $1M to spare? It might deter aggressive claims, but also prevent individuals from making claims on violations of their copyrights.

Perhaps it could start low, $2, and then for every fraudulent claim you make it goes up exponentially? It would be accessible to the common person, but for a mega company making bulk fraudulent claims, it becomes expensive.

Unless the mega company just keeps violating it, knowing that the more times they do it, the more they'll win in the end.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by infinitesoup »

avianlyric wrote: post #76
claytonwramsey wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is not YouTube, but the law. The DMCA requires that online service providers (YouTube, Reddit, etc.) comply immediately with any takedown request and without question, so long as it meets sufficient conditions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_...

YouTube's copyright system has little to do with DMCA. Music right holders managed forced YouTube to implement a copyright claim system that explicitly didn't involve DMCA takedown requests. As a result any protection that DMCA provides to recipients of takedown requests don't apply to YouTube copyright claims. In effect, the YouTube copyright system is a purely "voluntary" system for taking down copyright content, t…

You’re conflating the two systems. YouTube does have the Content ID system, which does automatic detection and is mostly used to monetize (not take down) copyrighted content. But this case is a copyright strike, which means there was a DMCA takedown filed.

The differences between these two systems are explained here: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7002106

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by gruez »

JoshTko wrote: post #71
RobertDeNiro wrote: post #23

from https://x.com/ChainPatrol/status/1876300596182983151 " Hello! This was a false positive in our systems at @ChainPatrol . We are retracting the takedown request, and will conduct a full post-mortem to ensure this does not happen again. We have been combatting a huge volume of fake YouTube videos that are attempting to steal user funds. Unfortunately, in our mission to protect users from scams, false positives (ve…

This seems to be a new shakedown racket of a business. "Subscribe for our services, or be victim to our shoddy automated takedown notices". Not too dissimilar to online ID protection services, that simultaneously sell your information

That doesn't make much sense, at least in this particular case. ChainPartrol's website describes themselves as "Real-time Brand Protection for Leading Web3 Companies", so it's unlikely that youtube creators would subscribe to such a service. Maybe if they were issuing takedown request for other "Web3 Companies" this allegation would have some merit, but that's not what happened here.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by _yb2s »

ternnoburn wrote: post #66
pseudosudoer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every year it becomes clearer that Idiocracy was indeed a documentary.

Sort of. They got the outcomes pretty close, but the movie was based on a premise of eugenics and equating poverty with low intelligence.

The movie was based on the (indisputable?) fact that intelligence is heritable- but not Eugenics, which takes that a step further and advocates for people deciding which other people are inferior and superior and organizing society around that. One could argue that the movie tries to make a case for eugenics, but it didn’t directly do so. I think the movie could also be seen as looking at culture instead of genetics, and also assuming that is passed down from parents.

I agree that it does wrongly depict poverty as a major indicator of intelligence.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

wil421 wrote: post #5

The year is 2030. After the AI bot wars, FaceBook and Google have been crippled. They let AI automation control their content and it was deleted after OpenAI GPT10 discovered vulnerabilities in automated copyright strikes. Taco Bell won the franchise war and is the only restaurant remaining.

We are indeed in an era where AI is "learning" from AI generated content fueling a positive feedback loop of shitty content.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by RandomBK »

edanm wrote: post #103
echelon wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrary to this, I'd like to see 3blue1brown actually get two more strikes and get deleted per YouTube "3 strikes" policy. Imagine the furor and outrage of that. One of the most popular, meaningful, and impactful channels done in by YouTube's (and the DMCA's) ridiculous policy [1]. The public outcry from this might motivate real policy changes both within Google and other FANNG companies as well as with lawmakers. U…

I love 3blue1brown and have followed the channel for years. One of my absolute favorite content creators. But I think you're vastly overestimate how popular he is compared to other channels that have gotten copyright strikes, or how much YouTube/Google care. I also don't love YouTube's policy, but are you so confident there's a better policy out there?

On the other hand, 3B1B's audience tends to heavily bias towards the tech crowd. I'm at a FAANG, and a decent number of our senior engineers know the channel.

I agree it's not enough to directly push policy, but the impact is certainly larger than what the subscriber count might otherwise suggest.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by fwip »

recursive wrote: post #86
ternnoburn wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of. They got the outcomes pretty close, but the movie was based on a premise of eugenics and equating poverty with low intelligence.

Weird, when I saw it, it was equating poverty with low access to education and corresponding outcomes.

The intro of the movie makes it pretty clear that their premise is "IQ is heritable, and stupid people have more kids." It's not a coincidence that the "high IQ" couple is portrayed as wealthy and the "low IQ" people are shown as poor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TCsR_oSP2Q

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by ikiris »

everfree wrote: post #93
ikiris wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m very interested how they think any of their copyright takedown claims pass scrutiny.

From their home page, it looks like their stated goal is to remove brand impersonation materials. Lookalike websites, social media compromises, malicious links, etc. They allege to work with registrars, contribute to blocklists and take down scam content. True brand impersonation of this ilk almost always includes copyright infringement. Sure it's possible that the company is a truly malicious actor that has a fake w…

And copyright doesn’t give the ability to fight any of that is the point. This all sounds like abuse of DMCA process.
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