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My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Waiting for those people who post the "how do you use LLMS for X" questions on HN to come here and explain how this is a good thing.

Would you be upset if in the 70s you found out your sister was using a calculator to check her math homework?

There difference is between "check" and "do" - verifying your work is a helpful use of feedback, not being able to multiply single digits without a calculator is a failed skill without a crutch to rely on.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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post #172

When I was in elementary school, my teachers told me it was very important to memorize multiplication tables because I wouldn't always have a calculator in my pocket. We know how that turned out. I asked an LLM the first example question (convert 3 minutes to seconds), and it provided not just the answer, but that there are 60 seconds per minutes, so that's 3 * 60 = 180. I don't think an 11 year old is harmed by that…

> When I was in elementary school, my teachers told me it was very important to memorize multiplication tables because I wouldn't always have a calculator in my pocket. We know how that turned out.

I find knowing the multiplication tables to be essential. It consumes too much time and distraction to pull out a computing device for everything. I assume you don't use your phone for simple addition either.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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post #6

At this rate, people will just accept AI Overlords without any battle or revolution.

Eventually they’ll do a better job than us, so maybe why not. People are very bad at managing themselves and the world. Leave a final prompt to take care of the biosphere, clean up the environment, and manage the humans but let them live happily.

You are going to accept those overlords long before any of that is possible, and then it never will be.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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The most likely eventual outcome of ChatGPT (and similar software) will be the elimination of graded homework/coursework, and a renewed emphasis on traditional in-person tests and exams.

The people who created ChatGPT have very fancy educations. Do you think any of them didn’t have or didn’t do homework?

Did any of them have access to ChatGPT?

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Scare tactics designed to confirm what I already fear. The fact that the comments are full of the same Idiocracy "jokes" that people have been making since that movie started airing constantly on Comedy Central means the belief that the younger generation is stupider does not rely on the existence of ChatGPT to be held.

However, the inability to consider possible societal impacts of technology before rolling it out into the world free of regulation was the story of the 20th Century and I guess it's going to be the story of the 21st. Underneath the fear-mongering about AI is an honest belief that maybe we're not considering where this is all going. I'm not afraid of a super smart Gen AI that controls humanity, I'm afraid that people are going to outsource all decision-making to extremely stupid LLMs because we're seemingly evolutionarily wired to cut corners until we accidentally cut our fingers off.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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post #12

There's some grim humor in the fact that the poster reflects on his sister's use of chatgpt, and just ends on that point. I have to wonder if he decided to talk to her or his parents about the situation. I didn't see anything in the post to suggest it, just a "this next generation is cooked." Who cooked them is the question? Children won't raise themselves generally.

My daughter is only 1 and a half years old now, but my concern is more that she'll be implicitly competing with classmates that are using tools like this, whether we allow her to use them or not.

That will make her better than them, what with some personal resiliency, autonomy and, for lack of a better term, grit. I would not worry about (1) the details of what your 1-yr-old 's world will look like in 10+ years, (2) that making a kid struggle and work a bit will put them at a disadvantage.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Some 15 years ago I recall some schools in California bragging about their success in flipping the school schedule around. They had students watch lectures at home as videos. Then during class they did "homework". Seems like this method is going to become a necessity if students can just prompt "Hey GPT. Do my homework for me. Thanks." at home every day.

Or they can just do it all at school.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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It's worth noting people probably reacted to this like they did with calculators, and perhaps, encyclopedias.

I see this use a bit differently: as a teacher that scales (and is probably more accurate that a human, hallucinations and other concerns notwithstanding).

I see my kids using it in a similar manner as described in this post, but I also see their curiosity piqued and them asking all kinds of theoretical and curious questions.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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People have felt the same way about waning handwriting skills and reliance on calculators. The truth is the way humans process information has been radically altered by LLMs and we're in the absolute infancy of understanding what that means. It is going to be far more disruptive than the keyboard or calculator. As we discover the implications, we are repeatedly going to find ourselves disturbed and disoriented. There…

> "The deep" are people with strong conceptual understanding of the problems to which they are applying AI and/or strong understanding of the AI itself. They will use AI to create things that didn't exist before. They will take seriously the risk management (although, they will still not be able to successfully predict all unintended consequences).

Why would these people not just skip the AI part entirely, then?

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