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My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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At a certain point a tool can coddle you too much and start to impede your... humanity. If I am trying to learn woodworking a robot that will build whatever I tell it to is not a great tool. There is some perfect middle point where tools allow you to channel your creative vision without imposing on it. LLMs for homework take it too far, the kid in this example is just copying text between a computer and a piece of paper, the human input is totally gone.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grades determine what college you go to, which determines the connections you make, which determines the trajectory of your entire life.

This never made sense to me, Unless the child is a literal genius or very charismatic, wouldn’t they almost certainly have worse prospects after graduating in the 10th to 30th percentile of their class at Harvard than from the 80th to 90th percentile of their class at Boston U? (Assuming they could even manage to squeak into Harvard in the first placd)

How do you figure that? Isn't Harvard very much about the network of contacts?

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Students do the work via ChatGPT. Teachers create assignments and grade them with ChatGPT. It's a giant self licking ice cream cone that doesn't educate anybody and fritters away a lot of wealth while using several nuclear plants worth of energy.

It does in the short term solve the problem that kids hate doing schoolwork and teachers hate doing their jobs.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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The people who thought up the Chinese Room argument were almost right - they just didn't realize it would be the human who didn't understand anything.

The Chinese room has only humans in and outside the room.

But the human-ness of the person inside the room is not important. It's just there to follow simple instructions. I think Searle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Searle) put a human in the room to help us empathize and understand that the person in the room doesn't understand Chinese. It simplifies the argument by avoiding the introduction of computers into the setup.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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My 13 y/o was lamenting something the other day and it turns out that she had written a paper and pasted it into ChatGPT and asked it to grade the paper and it returned a "B+". She was using GPT to basically pre-check the quality of her paper before submitting it after having actually written it herself. But it occurred to me that there are probably teachers out there who are taking the lazy route of using GPT to gra…

I use it this way for my own writing. I think this actually a good use. It allows for rapid feedback in away that doesn't require teacher time, and can help a writer grow. Of course LLM feedback should not be treated as gospel.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Are in-class tests still a thing? If you use these tools to get the homework done, but there's little retention of knowledge or skill, how are you going to pass a test where the resource is not available to you? Homework is ostensibly about practicing certain skills (math) or learning/memorizing facts.

I love this question. I was just thinking last night: do kids still carry around books? I have no clue what modern American primary education is like. I expect that I'll be surprised.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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post #12

There's some grim humor in the fact that the poster reflects on his sister's use of chatgpt, and just ends on that point. I have to wonder if he decided to talk to her or his parents about the situation. I didn't see anything in the post to suggest it, just a "this next generation is cooked." Who cooked them is the question? Children won't raise themselves generally.

"this next generation is cooked."

You bet your skibidi ohio their cooked.

EDIT: To clarify

You bet your rizz factory those NPCs are giga-chalked, fr fr no cap.

EDIT 2: To clarify further

Those NPCs are down bad, like full system reboot needed—no updates, no saves, just straight uninstall vibes.

EDIT 3: Man

"Yeah, this generation’s running on 1 FPS with Wi-Fi from a McDonald’s parking lot—completely preheated, toaster oven edition. "

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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> She asks him to make it shorter Am I the only one who found it interesting and perhaps a little alarming that the poster, while ostensibly aghast at their little sister's use of ChatGPT, decided midway through the screed to not only personify ChatGPT but also assign it a gender?

Maybe English is not their first language, and their native tongue is gendered.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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I'm not trying to justify, or infer here, but I read recently that around 20% of American adults are functionally illiterate. https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019179/index.asp I wonder how LLMs are going to affect these metrics.

It’s more like 50% of survey respondents are at a literacy level where they can read a letter but not understand what it means.
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