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Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by JoshTko »

RobertDeNiro wrote: post #23

from https://x.com/ChainPatrol/status/1876300596182983151 " Hello! This was a false positive in our systems at @ChainPatrol . We are retracting the takedown request, and will conduct a full post-mortem to ensure this does not happen again. We have been combatting a huge volume of fake YouTube videos that are attempting to steal user funds. Unfortunately, in our mission to protect users from scams, false positives (ve…

This seems to be a new shakedown racket of a business. "Subscribe for our services, or be victim to our shoddy automated takedown notices". Not too dissimilar to online ID protection services, that simultaneously sell your information

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by avianlyric »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #15

Surely YouTube making a knowingly false allegation of tortfeasance against someone is libel. That should be actionable, possibly in a group action? Continued libel that inhibits the democratic exercise of free speech seems like something the government should act on?

> Surely YouTube making a knowingly false allegation of tortfeasance against someone is libel.

It's hardly libel for YouTube to state that they've received a copyright claim, and taken the video down as a consequence. They're just stating facts, they're not making any assertions regarding the accuracy or correctness of the copyright claim, simply stating that it exists.

> Continued libel that inhibits the democratic exercise of free speech seems like something the government should act on?

You seem to misunderstand what free speech means. Free speech means protection from the government from having your speech prevented, or compelled. That same protection extends to companies. To have the government punish YouTube for failing to distribute a video, would itself be violating YouTube's own free speech, and in the US, and clear and obvious violation of the 1st ammendment.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by ffsm8 »

hypercube33 wrote: post #43
pelagicAustral wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...there are now three seashells on every toilet (for some reason).

I'd like to think no one knows how the seashells work and the real joke is everyone just makes fun of people for not knowing (the writer didn't even know what they did and refuses to say anything other than how they came into the story)

Huh? I thought that was canon. Was that actually just a head fiction?

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by sbuttgereit »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #49
the__alchemist wrote: post #4

I wish Youtube etc would blacklist requests by these companies, but am not optimistic. Curation seems like the path here, but it seems difficult. (See also the recent Kagi thread here, highlighting how being able to curate which sites appear on your search results is a big deal)

The system is broken; if youtube (etc) do not respond to DMCA takedown requests on time, their service may be taken down - and back when YT was new and people were uploading movies and whatnot left right and center, they were very close to that. The consequences for YT for not taking something down vs invalid takedowns are much worse and more direct.

I wouldn't have issue if this were simply running the DMCA process. But the YouTube process goes well beyond that. DMCA also allows for the content creator to issue a counter-notice and, as I understand it, that starts a clock and the party filling the takedown has 14 days to file a suit or the original takedown is reversed.

Naturally, that's not the process YouTube follows including, again as I understand it, the assignment of revenues, etc. with only their internal dispute process mattering.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by dandanua »

hamandcheese wrote: post #67
RobertDeNiro wrote: post #23

from https://x.com/ChainPatrol/status/1876300596182983151 " Hello! This was a false positive in our systems at @ChainPatrol . We are retracting the takedown request, and will conduct a full post-mortem to ensure this does not happen again. We have been combatting a huge volume of fake YouTube videos that are attempting to steal user funds. Unfortunately, in our mission to protect users from scams, false positives (ve…

This seems like a huge abuse of the copyright system to me. It sounds to me like ChainPatrol doesn't actually have any IP to protect, but they are instead deputizing YouTube's copyright system to fight what they deem to be crypto scams. Absolutely wild if true.

Anything bitcoin related is wild today. Big and free money make people lose their damn minds.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by avianlyric »

claytonwramsey wrote: post #20
the__alchemist wrote: post #4

I wish Youtube etc would blacklist requests by these companies, but am not optimistic. Curation seems like the path here, but it seems difficult. (See also the recent Kagi thread here, highlighting how being able to curate which sites appear on your search results is a big deal)

The problem is not YouTube, but the law. The DMCA requires that online service providers (YouTube, Reddit, etc.) comply immediately with any takedown request and without question, so long as it meets sufficient conditions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_...

YouTube's copyright system has little to do with DMCA. Music right holders managed forced YouTube to implement a copyright claim system that explicitly didn't involve DMCA takedown requests. As a result any protection that DMCA provides to recipients of takedown requests don't apply to YouTube copyright claims.

In effect, the YouTube copyright system is a purely "voluntary" system for taking down copyright content, that goes way beyond the DMCA. It's basically designed to ensure theres no possible repercussions for issuers of copyright claims, even claims clearly made in bad faith.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by jimbob45 »

RobertDeNiro wrote: post #23

from https://x.com/ChainPatrol/status/1876300596182983151 " Hello! This was a false positive in our systems at @ChainPatrol . We are retracting the takedown request, and will conduct a full post-mortem to ensure this does not happen again. We have been combatting a huge volume of fake YouTube videos that are attempting to steal user funds. Unfortunately, in our mission to protect users from scams, false positives (ve…

They're only doing this because 3blue1brown named and shamed. Remember, kids, always name and shame malevolent actions.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by lousken »

can we start permanently banning companies that submit false-positive takedown requests? 3 strikes for them should result in not being able to submit any strikes anymore and all their content being removed

if the content creator can get their channel removed, same thing must apply to the opposite side as well

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by yread »

the__alchemist wrote: post #13

I noticed `ChainPatrol` has a Github: https://github.com/chainpatrol There's a `report abuse` button on the right of that page. I used it. (Category: Bullying and Harassment)

I'm flagging this comment for bullying. OK, I'm not but you get the point, right?

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by JoshuaDavid »

echelon wrote: post #61
the__alchemist wrote: post #13

I noticed `ChainPatrol` has a Github: https://github.com/chainpatrol There's a `report abuse` button on the right of that page. I used it. (Category: Bullying and Harassment)

Contrary to this, I'd like to see 3blue1brown actually get two more strikes and get deleted per YouTube "3 strikes" policy. Imagine the furor and outrage of that. One of the most popular, meaningful, and impactful channels done in by YouTube's (and the DMCA's) ridiculous policy [1]. The public outcry from this might motivate real policy changes both within Google and other FANNG companies as well as with lawmakers. U…

> Contrary to this, I'd like to see 3blue1brown actually get two more strikes and get deleted per YouTube "3 strikes" policy.

Does the "3 strikes" policy apply to large channels that bring in a lot of views and ad revenue?

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