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Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by echelon » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

the__alchemist wrote: post #13

I noticed `ChainPatrol` has a Github: https://github.com/chainpatrol There's a `report abuse` button on the right of that page. I used it. (Category: Bullying and Harassment)

Contrary to this, I'd like to see 3blue1brown actually get two more strikes and get deleted per YouTube "3 strikes" policy.

Imagine the furor and outrage of that. One of the most popular, meaningful, and impactful channels done in by YouTube's (and the DMCA's) ridiculous policy [1].

The public outcry from this might motivate real policy changes both within Google and other FANNG companies as well as with lawmakers.

Until a big channel gets stricken, this will continue to plague smaller creators with no recourse. We need a symbolic gesture of this magnitude to effectuate real change.

[1] And it's not like YouTube would actually delete their data or we wouldn't have a way to restore it. This is such an important channel that there's no way it wouldn't be restored by Google or archivists.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by toomuchtodo » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

bunderbunder wrote: post #24

kepano wrote: post #16

You have to think of YouTube and other platforms as a mechanism for distribution, not a source of truth. If you're a creator it's essential to have your own place on the web were you can host and publish anything without fear that it will be taken down for any reason — even accidentally. As it becomes cheap to automate both creating takedown requests and processing requests, the volume of spam requests is going to sk…

This is not just an information preservation problem. It's a problem with the creators who depend on YouTube ad revenue to fund to create content like this suddenly and unpredictably losing that revenue stream.

You cannot depend on Youtube ad revenue to survive, as it can be taken away at any time.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by henryfjordan » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

reaperman wrote: post #3

throwaway290 wrote: post #2

> The request seems to have been issued by a company chainpatrol, on behalf of Arbitrum, whose website says they "makes use of advanced LLM scanning" for "Brand Protection for Leading Web3 Companies" Tech built on copyright abuse used for copyright trolling? Too early for peak irony of 2025!

I understand this isn't a DMCA request, so quite a few legal remedies are unavailable for abusing the Youtube reporting system. But it seems like "tortious interference" would still apply here. Is there some reason it wouldn't?

Tortious Interference might apply, but how much money was actually lost? 2 days of ad revenue on a video from 2017 is not much, certainly not enough to pay the lawyers for a lawsuit.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by halper » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

VyseofArcadia wrote: post #52

ysavir wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't this mean that the only people able to make claims in the first place are people with $1M to spare? It might deter aggressive claims, but also prevent individuals from making claims on violations of their copyrights.

I think it's Finland where if the punishment for a crime is a fine, the fine scales with the income of the perpetrator. I like that system.

Used in a number of countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-fine

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by throwaway743 » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:49 PM UTC

pelagicAustral wrote: post #11

wil421 wrote: post #5

The year is 2030. After the AI bot wars, FaceBook and Google have been crippled. They let AI automation control their content and it was deleted after OpenAI GPT10 discovered vulnerabilities in automated copyright strikes. Taco Bell won the franchise war and is the only restaurant remaining.

...there are now three seashells on every toilet (for some reason).

... and the only kind of music that exists are jingles and showtunes

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by ternnoburn » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:49 PM UTC

pseudosudoer wrote: post #10

wil421 wrote: post #5

The year is 2030. After the AI bot wars, FaceBook and Google have been crippled. They let AI automation control their content and it was deleted after OpenAI GPT10 discovered vulnerabilities in automated copyright strikes. Taco Bell won the franchise war and is the only restaurant remaining.

Every year it becomes clearer that Idiocracy was indeed a documentary.

Sort of. They got the outcomes pretty close, but the movie was based on a premise of eugenics and equating poverty with low intelligence.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by hamandcheese » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:49 PM UTC

RobertDeNiro wrote: post #23

from https://x.com/ChainPatrol/status/1876300596182983151 " Hello! This was a false positive in our systems at @ChainPatrol . We are retracting the takedown request, and will conduct a full post-mortem to ensure this does not happen again. We have been combatting a huge volume of fake YouTube videos that are attempting to steal user funds. Unfortunately, in our mission to protect users from scams, false positives (ve…

This seems like a huge abuse of the copyright system to me. It sounds to me like ChainPatrol doesn't actually have any IP to protect, but they are instead deputizing YouTube's copyright system to fight what they deem to be crypto scams. Absolutely wild if true.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by crtasm » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:49 PM UTC

davidjhall wrote: post #36

Are there any other copies of this video out there? Since it's a bogus claim, the video should be able to be posted elsewhere --- YouTube can't be the only source of record.

I know there's a text version: https://www.3blue1brown.com/lessons/bitcoin

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by gosub100 » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:50 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #39

pseudosudoer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every year it becomes clearer that Idiocracy was indeed a documentary.

I mean, we already have YouTube channels and tiktok content that are about the same as the TV show "ass" shown in the movie.

"America's funniest home videos" got dumbed down to "AFV" and the content was mostly "ow, my balls!". They even added a warning to the viewers to submit "wows, not ows".

Although to be fair,some of that happened before Idiocracy came out.

With the public money used for sports stadiums, that element of the movie to have government sports teams is slowly coming true also.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by kepano » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:51 PM UTC

facialwipe wrote: post #27

kepano wrote: post #16

You have to think of YouTube and other platforms as a mechanism for distribution, not a source of truth. If you're a creator it's essential to have your own place on the web were you can host and publish anything without fear that it will be taken down for any reason — even accidentally. As it becomes cheap to automate both creating takedown requests and processing requests, the volume of spam requests is going to sk…

You have to think of YouTube and other platforms as a mechanism for distribution, not a source of truth. So the source of truth is just some guy’s long tail GoDaddy-hosted blog?

The URL is what should persist, not the host.