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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by fn-mote »

moduspwnens14 wrote: post #15
clejack wrote: post #12

There's some grim humor in the fact that the poster reflects on his sister's use of chatgpt, and just ends on that point. I have to wonder if he decided to talk to her or his parents about the situation. I didn't see anything in the post to suggest it, just a "this next generation is cooked." Who cooked them is the question? Children won't raise themselves generally.

My daughter is only 1 and a half years old now, but my concern is more that she'll be implicitly competing with classmates that are using tools like this, whether we allow her to use them or not.

If the world has not figured out how to handle ChatGPT better by the time your child is 10, it's going to be an incredible disaster.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by moduspwnens14 »

wvenable wrote: post #53
moduspwnens14 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My daughter is only 1 and a half years old now, but my concern is more that she'll be implicitly competing with classmates that are using tools like this, whether we allow her to use them or not.

I'm not sure how that would play out but I think there is some validness in that concern. It's the same with smartphones; you deny your kid one because you want them to socialize in person but if they're the only kid without a smartphone then they'll be socially isolated. Everything has to be managed in moderation. As for ChatGPT, I use it all the time for learning. And I've used it to help my kid study. But I wouldn…

I agree. That's what I expect.

My optimistic hope is that for the more basic skills, teachers can adjust grading so that more easily-cheated homework provides less credit, and in-person work (such as a pop quiz) is weighed more heavily. Then, you're effectively setting yourself a time bomb by using LLMs on homework to avoid learning the material.

For higher-level skills, I think using LLMs will probably just become another skillset and part of the toolbox, just like the Internet was for my generation. But I guess we'll see.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by Ekaros »

jerlam wrote: post #46
Dowwie wrote: post #11

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Teachers were well aware of calculators and had methods to prevent their usage/dependency, like showing all the intermediate steps and banning them in-class for tests.

And in right context specially later they were useful tools. Hand drawing graphs for example is not exactly most useful use of time. Maybe a few times, but beyond that...

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by mightyham »

Peacefulz wrote: post #3

I'm not trying to justify, or infer here, but I read recently that around 20% of American adults are functionally illiterate. https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019179/index.asp I wonder how LLMs are going to affect these metrics.

In the context of discussing the American education system, the more relevant figure is the number of native born functionally illiterate adults which, according to that source, is roughly 14%.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by shprd »

moduspwnens14 wrote: post #15
clejack wrote: post #12

There's some grim humor in the fact that the poster reflects on his sister's use of chatgpt, and just ends on that point. I have to wonder if he decided to talk to her or his parents about the situation. I didn't see anything in the post to suggest it, just a "this next generation is cooked." Who cooked them is the question? Children won't raise themselves generally.

My daughter is only 1 and a half years old now, but my concern is more that she'll be implicitly competing with classmates that are using tools like this, whether we allow her to use them or not.

> my concern is more that she'll be implicitly competing with classmates that are using tools like this, whether we allow her to use them or not.

What makes this different from competing with classmates that cheat in general? You also had parents that do most of the tasks for their kids since forever

What makes LLMs stands out of the pack of other forms of assistance (parents, older siblings, software, online solutions, etc.)

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by chrsw »

BadHumans wrote: post #23
lenkite wrote: post #6

At this rate, people will just accept AI Overlords without any battle or revolution.

We are past that point. People will accept anything without resistance.

Past that point.

But I mostly agree. It's not a hopeful situation. If AI takes over it won't take over because it fought it war with humans and won. AI will take over because people want it to take over.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by jayrot »

moduspwnens14 wrote: post #15
clejack wrote: post #12

There's some grim humor in the fact that the poster reflects on his sister's use of chatgpt, and just ends on that point. I have to wonder if he decided to talk to her or his parents about the situation. I didn't see anything in the post to suggest it, just a "this next generation is cooked." Who cooked them is the question? Children won't raise themselves generally.

My daughter is only 1 and a half years old now, but my concern is more that she'll be implicitly competing with classmates that are using tools like this, whether we allow her to use them or not.

I honestly wouldn't worry about that aspect of it too much. Effective understanding and use of tools is important for this next generation (which is why we have restrictive but reasonable rules for tech use for our kids). However, unless ChatGPT and other such tools start being allowed in SATs and in the classroom and etc, there's no substitute for true education and understanding.

The essay my 8 year old can currently write in scribbly handwriting certainly won't compete with the essay a classmate "writes" using ChatGPT. But the facade is paper thin and ever so short lived. Seeing how much better my kids write now, vs 2 years ago, proves how much they're learning and the incredible power of practice. Someone relying on such a serious crutch will be left behind. I guarantee it.

Unless there's some dystopian future where every aspect and communication in our lives are managed and filtered by some kind of AI middle layer. I doubt it.

Tech advancements always lead to this struggle, but it's rarely as stark as you might think. My kids are still learning cursive in school, though I can't imagine when they'll ever use it.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by croes »

zamadatix wrote: post #76
nottorp wrote: post #4

Waiting for those people who post the "how do you use LLMS for X" questions on HN to come here and explain how this is a good thing.

I see it more like calculators. Using a calculator isn't inherently good or bad in itself. If you're using a calculator to fake learning the intuitions and mechanics of division on your math homework then that's bad - regardless of how many other good use cases for calculators can be talked about in a separate context.

Calculators have a smaller CO2 foot print
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